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Better player: Mike Schmidt vs Jeff Bagwell

NAHSTE said:
I can only imagine how much more impressive Bagwell's career would look if his best season wasn't cut short by to the strike.

.368/.451/.750 with 39 HR, 116 RBI, 106 R and 15 SB ... through 110 games! Holy fuck...

That is what I mean by peak value ... That is one of the greatest statistical seasons of all-time, and it wasn't even a full year.
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Schmidt's best season was cut short by a strike, too. .316/.435/.644 with 31 HR, 91 RBI, 78 R and 12 SB...through 102 games.
 
Senser81 said:
Pretty lame analysis. One guy played 1B, the other played 3B. Even if the 1B is the Keith Hernandez of fielding and the 3B is merely adequate, thats a significant difference between the two players. Do you compare Cam Newton's rushing stats to Deshaun Foster's and say they are even?
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Ooookay. I'm not allowed to compare offensive stats because they played different positions? I could see that if we're talking about 1920s 2B versus 2010 2B, but we're talking about a late 70s-80s power-hitting 3B and a power-hitting 1B.
 
FirstTimer said:
According to WAR Schmidt had three seasons better than Bagwell's "peak" season.
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Not surprising since WAR is a cumulative stat dependent on playing time ... 8 WAR in 2/3 of a season is not too shabby though.

Senser81 said:
Schmidt's best season was cut short by a strike, too. .316/.435/.644 with 31 HR, 91 RBI, 78 R and 12 SB...through 102 games.
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Impressive counting stats, but he slugged 100 points less than '94 Bagwell.
 
NAHSTE said:
Not surprising since WAR is a cumulative stat dependent on playing time ... 8 WAR in 2/3 of a season is not too shabby though.



Impressive counting stats, but he slugged 100 points less than '94 Bagwell.
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Then again...like I said Schmidt's oWar peak was better than Bag's.
 
FedEx227 said:
Ooookay. I'm not allowed to compare offensive stats because they played different positions? I could see that if we're talking about 1920s 2B versus 2010 2B, but we're talking about a late 70s-80s power-hitting 3B and a power-hitting 1B.
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Thats what you took from my posting? Ooookay. You made no mention that the players played different positions. I think 70's-80's 3B batting standards are different than a 90's-steroid era 1B, no? Or are position differences not significant in your mind?
 
NAHSTE said:
Impressive counting stats, but he slugged 100 points less than '94 Bagwell.
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Yet Schmidt led the league in R, HR, RBI, BB, OBP, and SLG. Bagwell led the league in R, RBI, and SLG. Schmidt's season was pretty impressive for consisting of counting stats.
 
Schmidt's career ISO is better :yao:

NAHSTE, I think you mentioned in the CB that Bag's ISO was better. Where'd you find that?

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NAHSTE: so what about a higher career SLG, OPS, ISO, etc. do you not like? We are comparing two corner bats here lol. Both added good defense and baserunning to boot. Bags has the edge in baserunning and Schmidt has the edge in defense. That leaves us w/ offense
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FedEx227 said:
Yup.
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FirstTimer said:
Schmidt's career ISO is better :yao:

NAHSTE, I think you mentioned in the CB that Bag's ISO was better. Where'd you find that?
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Haha, sorry, I didn't actually look that up. I was CB arguing in between by boss walking in and out of the room, not exactly a Lincoln-Douglas debate here.
 
NAHSTE said:
Was Schmidt a good defender? I have no idea, never got to see him, so I'm asking sincerely. Obviously he won some gold gloves, but that's not much of an indicator.
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Yes, as someone who grew up watching him and is not the biggest Schmidt fan in the world, I can tell you he was a good defender, although some years were better than others.
 
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