Deion V. Rod

[Rayman]

In the book "dark side of the game" Tim Green tells a story about Deion and Jerry Rice. In a nutshell Rice welcomed Deion but QUICKLY built a huge amount of animosity because of the attention he was drawing. The practices very early on reached a boiling point when Deion, sensing Rice giving him the cold shoulder, began toying with Jerry Rice in practice. Baiting Young over and over into thinking Jerry was open then picking off or batting down the ball on a routine basis.
Rice felt that Deion was trying to show him up. He was right.
Evidently this won over alot of guys in the locker room and led to Watters/Floyd/Deion being a hell of alot more vocal and animated because of it.

Never heard this before, but the story makes a lot of sense. Those two had some animosity by the time Deion signed with Dallas the next year.

I remember Rice making a comment that "We didn't need no motherfuckin' Deion Sanders to win the Super Bowl."

 

[Aso]

Haha, that makes Deion sound like such a douche.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I'm sick of this 'people were afraid to throw at Deion' talk. He got a lot of interceptions, if they were afraid to throw at him then he wouldn't of gotten nearly as much. I watched a game from 1995 I believe which was Cowboys vs Chiefs and with Steve Bono at QB and Lake Dawson and Willie Davis at WR they were constantly throwing at Deion. Through three quarters they had throw at him about six times (only one was a completion). Deion was great but people weren't 'afraid' to throw at him.

That was the Thanksgiving game Irvin raped that secondary.:laugh:
There were plenty of teams that would throw his way.But far more often than not he would make them pay. There would be 2-3 game stretches where Deion would see only a pass or 2 per game. Thats unheard of today.

"Good" cornerbacks allow 45-60% completion percentages on passes thrown to them.
Revis last year who IMO had the best season any defenders had this decade allowed 39%.

Deion and Woodson both were in the low 20s during there DMVP seasons.

Hard for me to pick because they're both such amazing players. Rod had more picks, but people were afraid to throw at Deion. They played in different types of defenses, and were both such different players.

Both could be plugged into any pre '04 defense anywhere and be HOFers all over again.
Deion was faster..Woodson would hit you a hell of alot harder. But on any given pass play there wasnt much difference in style or play. Either way your pass was hitting the ground.

Never heard this before, but the story makes a lot of sense. Those two had some animosity by the time Deion signed with Dallas the next year.

I remember Rice making a comment that "We didn't need no motherfuckin' Deion Sanders to win the Super Bowl."

Yeah I cant find the book , Im looking for a cheap Ebook version to DL. Lots of good stories in there.

Funny thing about Rice. In 94 he felt Deion was trying to overshadow him and Deion got much of the pub that year.
After TOs miracle playoff catch Rice was seen pouting on the sideline.
On "Jerry Rice" day Owens breaks the single game record for receptions.
On HOF weekend unexplicably Emmitt gets most of the pub and the headlines after his speech.

I dont know what any of that means but I find it funny.

 

[Aso]

That was the Thanksgiving game Irvin raped that secondary.:laugh:
There were plenty of teams that would throw his way.But far more often than not he would make them pay. There would be 2-3 game stretches where Deion would see only a pass or 2 per game. Thats unheard of today.

"Good" cornerbacks allow 45-60% completion percentages on passes thrown to them.
Revis last year who IMO had the best season any defenders had this decade allowed 39%.

Deion and Woodson both were in the low 20s during there DMVP seasons.

Yeah I agree with everything you said.

Although I don't think a pass or 2 per game is unheard of today. Teams avoid Nnamdi Asomugha like the plague. He saw only 28 passes his way last season but I see you're point.

 

[Diivox]

I loved that story about Deion and Rice. excellent post. From what i've heard, TO got alot of his primadonna act from Rice, who would demand the ball in a very douchetastic way in san francisco. that legendary work ethic of his made him quite a prick. i think that if Rice played today, in the age of twitter and profootballtalk and cell phone video cameras, people would really dislike him.

 

[Fox1994]

I loved that story about Deion and Rice. excellent post. From what i've heard, TO got alot of his primadonna act from Rice, who would demand the ball in a very douchetastic way in san francisco. that legendary work ethic of his made him quite a prick. i think that if Rice played today, in the age of twitter and profootballtalk and cell phone video cameras, people would really dislike him.

From what I've heard, he also tried to piss on Deion's dance party (in the endzone) parade.

 

[Aso]

I never thought Jerry was that kind of player. I always envisioned him as an amazing team player that always kept quite (except for when he wanted the ball) and was an all around great locker room guy. This is eye opening.

 

[Fox1994]

I never thought Jerry was that kind of player. I always envisioned him as an amazing team player that always kept quite (except for when he wanted the ball) and was an all around great locker room guy. This is eye opening.

Every player is that type of player... Or so it seems these days.

And when you lock down a whole side of a field, people fear throwing your way.

 

[Aso]

Every player is that type of player... Or so it seems these days.

And when you lock down a whole side of a field, people fear throwing your way.

It really is starting to seem that way.

Ok first lets stop with the lock down a whole side of the field stuff. There's five eligible receivers each play, he can shut down only one of them. He also wasn't incredibly feared like everyone says. He was good but people did try and throw at him as dumb as that may be or sound. He was a great player, I'm not denying that at all. Just being real.

 

[Fox1994]

It really is starting to seem that way.

Ok first lets stop with the lock down a whole side of the field stuff. There's five eligible receivers each play, he can shut down only one of them. He also wasn't incredibly feared like everyone says. He was good but people did try and throw at him as dumb as that may be or sound. He was a great player, I'm not denying that at all. Just being real.

Haha. Touche.

 

[Aso]

Haha. Touche.

I hear that so much and it annoys the shit out of me, lol.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I loved that story about Deion and Rice. excellent post. From what i've heard, TO got alot of his primadonna act from Rice, who would demand the ball in a very douchetastic way in san francisco. that legendary work ethic of his made him quite a prick. i think that if Rice played today, in the age of twitter and profootballtalk and cell phone video cameras, people would really dislike him.

I stand by my next statement whole heartedly.

Randy Moss and Terrell Owens became the assholes they were because of Rice and Carter.

Ill never say those guys were bad teammates. They werent. But they had massive egos and primadonna attitudes. For Rice it worked and worked well. Long as he was the glamour boy all was good. To his credit none of his bitchiness stopped the team from winning or made it to the public. Thats how its supposed to work.
Like you said too many prying eyes for anything to just stay in the Locker room anymore.


As for Carter. It was slightly different. He wanted very much to take Moss under his wing. But Denny Green and He let Moss act up and were always giving him the "atta boy" treatment everything he did. Noone kept his ego in check. That spurred him into being a great WR but a terribly selfish and arrogant prick.

Noone will ever confuse Rice and Carter with sweethearts. But they knew hot to keep things in check and knew how to be professional on the field and in front of cameras. The Post Moss/TO gen lost all sense of restraint and perspective IMO.

 

[Fox1994]

Hmmmm. Shame how it worked out, eh?

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Hmmmm. Shame how it worked out, eh?

Some slight attitude adjustments early in there careers and we'd have entirely different perspectives on there careers.

That said. Without there antics likelyhood is theyre still in SF and Minny. Who knows if either play in a SB as they already have.

 

[Fox1994]

Some slight attitude adjustments early in there careers and we'd have entirely different perspectives on there careers.

That said. Without there antics likelyhood is theyre still in SF and Minny. Who knows if either play in a SB as they already have.

I don't doubt it. Randy Moss has elevated the play of literally every quarterback his played with not named Aaron Brooks.

And can you imagine T.O. minus the locker room destruction? He'd be like T.O. ... minus the locker room destruction.

 

[Rayman]

I stand by my next statement whole heartedly.

Randy Moss and Terrell Owens became the assholes they were because of Rice and Carter.

Ill never say those guys were bad teammates. They werent. But they had massive egos and primadonna attitudes. For Rice it worked and worked well. Long as he was the glamour boy all was good. To his credit none of his bitchiness stopped the team from winning or made it to the public. Thats how its supposed to work.
Like you said too many prying eyes for anything to just stay in the Locker room anymore.


As for Carter. It was slightly different. He wanted very much to take Moss under his wing. But Denny Green and He let Moss act up and were always giving him the "atta boy" treatment everything he did. Noone kept his ego in check. That spurred him into being a great WR but a terribly selfish and arrogant prick.

Noone will ever confuse Rice and Carter with sweethearts. But they knew hot to keep things in check and knew how to be professional on the field and in front of cameras. The Post Moss/TO gen lost all sense of restraint and perspective IMO.

Truth in every word.

Every TO bio I've ever read contains some variation of "He was always the nicest guy until his later years in SF".

He learned the best way to achieve greatness from Rice. Trouble was, he took the good with the bad and enhanced it. This is why he constantly doesn't understand why he's so hated.

And I'll come out and say this; Carter always was and still is a tremendous prick.

 

[Senser81]

Sanders was the best cover guy I've seen. A very good returner, too. Rod Woodson was the better overall football player. He was also a good return man. Woodson is probably the best athlete the Big10 has produced in the past 30 years.

I think Woodson had the better overall career in terms of production, but I think Sanders was more dominant in his prime.

Darrell Green was a nice player who played a long time, but you can't compare him to Sanders and Woodson. That would be like comparing Carlton Fisk to Johnny Bench and Yogi Berra.

 

[Diivox]

Ill never say those guys were bad teammates. They werent. But they had massive egos and primadonna attitudes. For Rice it worked and worked well. Long as he was the glamour boy all was good. To his credit none of his bitchiness stopped the team from winning or made it to the public. Thats how its supposed to work.

it was something that never made it's way to the public because he produced. and that's the bottom line. football is about production. if someone does everything he can to help a team win, if he comes through in the clutch, if he delivers day in day out and works hard... nobody cares about what he says. Actually, I don't think this is even isolated to football. results never lie. and if im going to war with a guy who boasts and talks shit constantly about how awesome he is, if he backs it up, ill be happy to do it.

but these days someones boastful comments make him look like a douchebag, and very quickly we forget the context. people are very quick to point a finger. shit. this whole forum is held together by hating on people. if you and your signifigant other are having a problem, try hating on a third party, and watch how quickly you two are getting along again. its just human nature.

 

[JoeCreed]

Deion no doubt. Totally took the best receiving option out of the game. Tackle smackle, I want my corner to shut down your top WR and that's what Prime did.

 

[Fox1994]

it was something that never made it's way to the public because he produced. and that's the bottom line. football is about production. if someone does everything he can to help a team win, if he comes through in the clutch, if he delivers day in day out and works hard... nobody cares about what he says. Actually, I don't think this is even isolated to football. results never lie. and if im going to war with a guy who boasts and talks shit constantly about how awesome he is, if he backs it up, ill be happy to do it.

but these days someones boastful comments make him look like a douchebag, and very quickly we forget the context. people are very quick to point a finger. shit. this whole forum is held together by hating on people. if you and your signifigant other are having a problem, try hating on a third party, and watch how quickly you two are getting along again. its just human nature.

lol. Damn, Diivox got all deep on us. That's an interesting sociological commentary on this site and people in general.

It's sort of interesting now that you mention it. It's not like football players used to be quieter, it's just that we heard them less. There was no twitter, ESPN was only launched in 1979... These guys have always been like this, it's just that now they get more coverage and we give them more of our time.

Deion no doubt. Totally took the best receiving option out of the game. Tackle smackle, I want my corner to shut down your top WR and that's what Prime did.

lol. "Tackle smackle." I can dig it.