DLC...please don't be an idiot

[calgaryballer]

I know that, NOW. But if everything were downloadable, I would assume that the game manufacturers would insist on safeguards being put into place in order to stop the game sharing that goes on now. I'm sure there's a way for it to work, but I just know it would feel weird to me not putting a disc into my console. At least for a little while.

More and more publishers are realizing this is stupid. Valve announced the other day that it is working on improving STEAMWORKS so that customers have unlimited access to the products they buy, while also protecting the developer's work. Stardock has a very open policy when it comes to their products and have been rewarded for it with healthy sales. The guy who created World of Goo came out the other day and said DRM is just plain stupid.

These are the smart guys in publishing. They know that locking the product down with shit DRM (as it is incredibly likely anything on the console would) just hurts everyone. The pirates will still get the product, and the people who actually PAID for the product are the ones that get hurt.

 

[riley420]

What Twigg is talking about is the 800 points it will take to unlock something that should have been included with a game in the first place, not extra things like The Pitt or Bringing Down the Sky.

RE is a perfect example. The files are ON THE DISK. Basically all you are doing is paying another $10 to unlock stuff you already paid for. That's crap.

DLC, in general, is a great, great thing. The future of gaming, indeed. But when companies abuse it to make an extra couple bucks, it sours the whole process. Will I buy the "VS. pack" for RE5? Nope. Would I DL if free? You bet your ass.

It's sad that some people will buy it, but not enough to make it worthwhile. How much fun can a multiplayer shooter be when you have to stop to shoot?

 

[Helicopter]

Officer Twigg...I've been wondering. How do you feel about the reliability of Microsoft Corporations ' XBOX 360? Any thoughts?:bolt:















Man, I'm sorry. I was just trying to get you while you were still fired up. Haha!:tongue:

 

[Maynard]

RE is a perfect example. The files are ON THE DISK. Basically all you are doing is paying another $10 to unlock stuff you already paid for. That's crap.

i dont know about RE, but in other games that have content on the disk that you can pay to unlock, they also have the option to play thru the game to unlock the content.

tiger woods is the first game i recall doing this. You could play the game and unlock items, or pay a fee on XBL to unlock the items. They gave you a choice.

If RE doesnt offer the choice, then the question becomes is it worth buying. this is the same as any other peice of DLC. Its no different then buying a map pack or extra stuff like the pitt.

You know that DLC is coming via websites and related info. If RE shows that content on the disk, is it really different then any other DLC? You just found out about the DLC thru options on the game rather then finding out about it on a website

again, i am curious if this unlockable stuff is able to be unlocked by playing the game

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

How do you guys feel about BONUS content.

For example. GOW Had Golden Lancers codes only for there "Limited Editions" technically its on the disc. Not DLC (yet) but you did have to pay a premium for something already on disc.

Same thing ?

 

[jms493]

The only thing I dont like about DLC is that I cant sell it when I am done. Thats why I like CDs, Cases and instructions.

I pay $60 for Gears of war 2 but 2 months down the road when I am done with it i can sell it for $30-40. Now those map-packs I bought are now useless. I would love to pass the maps onto someone else who buys the game but I cant.

Hardcopies.........I pass savings on to another consumer and I get some money back. WIN WIN!

 

[riley420]

i dont know about RE, but in other games that have content on the disk that you can pay to unlock, they also have the option to play thru the game to unlock the content.

tiger woods is the first game i recall doing this. You could play the game and unlock items, or pay a fee on XBL to unlock the items. They gave you a choice.

If RE doesnt offer the choice, then the question becomes is it worth buying. this is the same as any other peice of DLC. Its no different then buying a map pack or extra stuff like the pitt.

You know that DLC is coming via websites and related info. If RE shows that content on the disk, is it really different then any other DLC? You just found out about the DLC thru options on the game rather then finding out about it on a website

again, i am curious if this unlockable stuff is able to be unlocked by playing the game

The versus unlockable is only available through purchase. If it were free, I'd give it a shot...but I don't really see how it can be worth $10 for multiplayer considering there are multiple, better alternatives out there that offer more for free.

COD, GoW, Halo...those are shooting games that are 100x better than the RE levels will be. RE will be a campfest, simply because you can't move and shoot at the same time.

I paid for the COD 4 maps just because it adds something to the game that wasn't there. This content is already there, but yet we still have to pay for it...when we already paid for it. It makes no sense.

 

[BuccaneerFan]

DLC is cool for stuff like COD map packs and completely NEW content like The Pitt. It adds to the longevity of the game and is worth the purchase.

Crap like what EA did in Tiger Woods 06(?) pissed me off to no end. Almost the entire fucking game was locked from the start. I remember you had to play several rounds at Pebble Beach with Tiger before you could even see another golfer or course. Or you could buy a code to unlock it all. Fuck that. I did neither. I sent it back to Gamefly the same day.

But what bugs me more than DLC are those stupid "Microsoft Points." I've had 210 points in my account forever because there is nothing worth spending 200 points on. But now I want to download The Pitt which is 800 points. Can I just add 600 more points? No, I can only get 500 or 1000. So I have to spend another $12.50 on 1000 more fucking points I don't want, when all I need is 600. Fuck you Microsoft.

 

[jms493]

But what bugs me more than DLC are those stupid "Microsoft Points." I've had 210 points in my account forever because there is nothing worth spending 200 points on. But now I want to download The Pitt which is 800 points. Can I just add 600 more points? No, I can only get 500 or 1000. So I have to spend another $12.50 on 1000 more fucking points I don't want, when all I need is 600. Fuck you Microsoft.

pretty smart move by microsoft though.....

 

[Twigg4075]

DLC is the future of video games. eventually everything will have to be downloaded. sorry twigg

We will have to agree to disagree on thsi one. I think physical media will be around for many years.

I dont understand why there is such outrage about DLC. It is a valuable product with a huge market. As a consumer its your choice to buy it. The way some of you feel about DLC being a rip off or whatever you call it, is the same feeling non gamers could feel about us spending $60 on a game. To me DLC is no different then any other product or service in the world.

People, like myself, are outraged because it's a perpetuating cycle of bullshit. As long as people keep buying thsi fucking horseshit then they will keep selling it. Before long companies are going to go balls out on all the microtransaction nonsense and gaming will cease to be fun anymore.

You can scratch a disc, you can't scratch a file. This would make it so much easier. They would still have discs available but wouldn't produce as much. PSN does it where you can download it up to 5 times, which I think would work on a bigger scale.

No but a file can become corrupt. :thumbsup:

What kg said... Not to mention that these consoles don't come with big enough HDD's.

Officer Twigg...I've been wondering. How do you feel about the reliability of Microsoft Corporations ' XBOX 360? Any thoughts?:bolt:

Man, I'm sorry. I was just trying to get you while you were still fired up. Haha!:tongue:

LOL. Funny you should mention that because I was just listening to the CAG podcast and they had a segment where they were talking about how shitty the 360 was. They started talking about the new E74 error rumors and then went off on a tirade of what a poorly made piece of shit it is and how it is probably the worst made piece of electronics in the history of electronics.
It made me smile because it sounded like I was listening to myself.

The only thing I dont like about DLC is that I cant sell it when I am done. Thats why I like CDs, Cases and instructions.

I pay $60 for Gears of war 2 but 2 months down the road when I am done with it i can sell it for $30-40. Now those map-packs I bought are now useless. I would love to pass the maps onto someone else who buys the game but I cant.

Hardcopies.........I pass savings on to another consumer and I get some money back. WIN WIN!

Another example of why physical media is probably here to stay.

But what bugs me more than DLC are those stupid "Microsoft Points." I've had 210 points in my account forever because there is nothing worth spending 200 points on. But now I want to download The Pitt which is 800 points. Can I just add 600 more points? No, I can only get 500 or 1000. So I have to spend another $12.50 on 1000 more fucking points I don't want, when all I need is 600. Fuck you Microsoft.

Don't even get me started on that bullshit 'carnival ticket' nonsense. You know what I'm talking about. "Hey, let's buy 10 ride tickets for $5. But why does every ride cost 4 tickets? Fuck me!" Somebody my wife plays CoD with convinced her to download the WaW map pack the other day. She didn't have any points so she just downloaded them from Live. But does Live sell the points in even the same increments as they are sold in the store? Of coure they fucking don't. She bought 1000points and now she has 200 points that she can basically eat with her gay ass NXE avatar and possibly shit out if she clicks on the right stick. Fucking bullshit.

 

[Twigg4075]

pretty smart move by microsoft though.....

Too bad they are completely pissing off their customers in the process. But apparently they are bulletproof anyway because they make the shittiest console known to man and still stand tall.

 

[Buzzman]

I dont mean to sound like a dick or something, but I have the money to buy anything I want and if I want a costume pack IM BUYING THE COSTUME PACK.

 

[Twigg4075]

You mean the console that you own 2 of, and are on more than any other console you've ever owned, and the same can be said for your wife. I don't get why you take it so personal.

I was already balls deep into ownership with the console before I started realizing how shady MS's marketing strategies were. And my wife wanted her own console so that's why we have two.

I love gaming period. It's a great console when it works but that doesn't mean it's still not a hunk of shit.