Does Someone want to explain Cincinnati at #4

[Sportsbuck]

I hate how people rip on the Big East because of one game. Yeah the Gators destroyed Cincy and it really hurt what they accomplished this year. Do I think they are better than Ohio State or Penn State still, yes.

Then your delusional.

Taking the Big East's auto-bid away is laughable. The Big East has just as much of a claim to a BCS bowl as the Big 10 and the ACC. The MWC is good at the top, and Utah, TCU, and BYU are as good as they get. However, the bottom of that conference is not good and is the reason the MWC is overlooked.

I'm going to semi-agree with you here. The Big East deserves a BCS bid over the ACC, who is 2-9 (.182) all-time in BCS bowls.

The fact is, the Big 10 didn't have one team with the record of Cincinnati.

LOL really? Well when Ohio State's gonna be ranked ahead of Cincinnati when its all said and done...

Ohio State played who in the out of conference? USC a 4 loss Pac 10 team. Cincy also played a better Pac 10 team tough (Took a final regular season loss against Oregon), so IMO they were on equal bounds.

Oh, really? Because USC is 9-4, and Oregon State is 8-5. Using your logic from the quote above this one, USC is a better opponent then Oregon State.

But anyway's, let's do a comparison of the team's Ohio State and Cincinnati played OOC this year:
Ohio State
Navy - 10-4 - W bowl game 35-13 v Missouri
USC - 9-4 - W bowl game 24-13 v Boston College
Toledo - 5-7
New Mexico State - 3-10

Cincinnati
Southeast Missouri State - Went 2-9 in FCS
Fresno State - 8-5 - L bowl game 35-28 v Wyoming
Miami (OH) - 1-11
Oregon State - 8-5 - L bowl game 44-20 v BYU
Illinois - 3-9

I'll throw out the FCS opponent from Cincinnati so we can really compare the two. Ohio State's opponents combined to go 27-25 this year and 2-0 in bowls, both wins against BCS conference foes. Cincinnati's went 20-30 and 0-2 in bowls with losses to mid-major opponents.

Pitt had 10 wins this season, WVU also recorded 9.

And Pitt could barely beat the 4th best team in the ACC coastal while WVU lost to a previously 6-6 Florida State team. You sure your better than the ACC?

Cincy played 7 bowl teams this season (excluding Florida) on their way to undefeated, Ohio State played 4 (If I'm not wrong.) excluding Oregon. So tell me, if Ohio State was undefeated would you be saying the same thing?

Ohio State played 5 (Navy, USC, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, and Iowa), and Cincinnati played 6 (Rutgers, Oregon State, Fresno State, South Florida, West Virginia, Pittsburgh). Wow, what a difference there.

On another note, Cincinnati is not undefeated anymore. Face it, they got exposed for what they really are in embarrassing fashion while Ohio State beat another top 10 team. Ohio State's 2-1 against top 10 teams this year and 4-1 against top 25 teams... Cincinnati is 0-1 against top 10 teams and 3-1 against the top-25. See, I can manipulate data too.

 

[Bear Pand]

I hate how people rip on the Big East because of one game. Yeah the Gators destroyed Cincy and it really hurt what they accomplished this year. Do I think they are better than Ohio State or Penn State still, yes.

Taking the Big East's auto-bid away is laughable. The Big East has just as much of a claim to a BCS bowl as the Big 10 and the ACC. The MWC is good at the top, and Utah, TCU, and BYU are as good as they get. However, the bottom of that conference is not good and is the reason the MWC is overlooked.

Anyways, I hate arguing about conference outlook because I'm in the minority here. I think the Big East is as good as the Big 10 and slightly behind the ACC. However, because there are more (a lot more) fans of Big 10 teams I'll continue to argue until I'm blue in the face and it won't matter. The fact is, the Big 10 didn't have one team with the record of Cincinnati. Ohio State played who in the out of conference? USC a 4 loss Pac 10 team. Cincy also played a better Pac 10 team tough (Took a final regular season loss against Oregon), so IMO they were on equal bounds. Pitt had 10 wins this season, WVU also recorded 9. Cincy played 7 bowl teams this season (excluding Florida) on their way to undefeated, Ohio State played 4 (If I'm not wrong.) excluding Oregon. So tell me, if Ohio State was undefeated would you be saying the same thing?

Either way, I think Cincinnati deserved to be in the top 5 but they sure as hell didn't play like it and sometimes that's just how it goes. I still hate the Big 10 though

I'm not gonna sit here and try to convince you the Big 10 is better than the Big East, all that rah rah conference pride is lame. But you Big East homers are some real crybabies. That conference needs to add some more teams or something. They only got 8 teams right now and half of them are garbage, that's unacceptable for a BCS conference. If Cincy falls apart with no Kelly, the Big East will be ass next year.

 

[zack54attack]

Florida whooped that ass.

 

[trojan49er]

I think the Big East should look into adding a couple top mid-major teams. ECU is a pretty strong candidate, giving Arkansas a run for their money this year and having been a strong team over the past couple seasons. The Big East was able to remain in contention recently because of outstanding individual performances and players like Pat White, Steve Slaton, Ray Rice, LaSean McCoy, etc. What they need, however, is teams with depth and good coaching that can keep a program strong over a long period of time. It seems to me that teams rise to the top and kind of flame out after a year or two because they graduate the star players that made them so good. In the stronger conferences, you see more consistency, especially from the top teams, as they have a larger talent pool to draw from instead of relying on a few stars.

 

[Archer]

I think the Big East should look into adding a couple top mid-major teams. ECU is a pretty strong candidate, giving Arkansas a run for their money this year and having been a strong team over the past couple seasons. The Big East was able to remain in contention recently because of outstanding individual performances and players like Pat White, Steve Slaton, Ray Rice, LaSean McCoy, etc. What they need, however, is teams with depth and good coaching that can keep a program strong over a long period of time. It seems to me that teams rise to the top and kind of flame out after a year or two because they graduate the star players that made them so good. In the stronger conferences, you see more consistency, especially from the top teams, as they have a larger talent pool to draw from instead of relying on a few stars.

They lose all their coaches to better conferences anyways

 

[Woy]

I think the Big East should look into adding a couple top mid-major teams. ECU is a pretty strong candidate, giving Arkansas a run for their money this year and having been a strong team over the past couple seasons. The Big East was able to remain in contention recently because of outstanding individual performances and players like Pat White, Steve Slaton, Ray Rice, LaSean McCoy, etc. What they need, however, is teams with depth and good coaching that can keep a program strong over a long period of time. It seems to me that teams rise to the top and kind of flame out after a year or two because they graduate the star players that made them so good. In the stronger conferences, you see more consistency, especially from the top teams, as they have a larger talent pool to draw from instead of relying on a few stars.

What do you think they did when they lost Miami, VT and BC?

Besides they'll lose another/more team(s) in a few years, anyways.

 

[jHammack]

Ohio State played 5 (Navy, USC, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, and Iowa), and Cincinnati played 6 (Rutgers, Oregon State, Fresno State, South Florida, West Virginia, Pittsburgh). Wow, what a difference there.

So I was wrong about Ohio States, I forgot Minnesota made a bowl game. However, you forgot UConn.
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In my post I actually meant to say that Oregon State and USC were equals, both were very inconsistent this year. However, USC beat Ohio State at the Shoe. Cincy beat Oregon State on the road. So explain to me which is better again? A loss at home or a win on the road?

And Pitt could barely beat the 4th best team in the ACC coastal while WVU lost to a previously 6-6 Florida State team. You sure your better than the ACC?

Let me point out how retarded that even sounds. Bobby Bowdens last game ever was reason enough to think that WVU would lose. I had a really bad feeling about this game. It was basically a road game for WVU AND the emotional factor for that team wanted to send him out with a win.

Pitt could barely beat the 4th best team in the ACC Coastal... Last time I checked Ohio State lost to the 4th best Pac 10 team and 7th or 8th Big 10 team in Purdue. Pitt played, once again, basically a road game. They won the game and UNC had home field advantage.

On another note, Cincinnati is not undefeated anymore. Face it, they got exposed for what they really are in embarrassing fashion while Ohio State beat another top 10 team. Ohio State's 2-1 against top 10 teams this year and 4-1 against top 25 teams... Cincinnati is 0-1 against top 10 teams and 3-1 against the top-25. See, I can manipulate data too.

Cincinnati finishes with 1 loss, an embarrassing loss but nonetheless it was one loss. If Ohio State played Florida what would the result have been? 41-14 Ring a Bell? And IMO, this Florida team would have beat Ohio State by as much or more.

Anyways like I said arguing about this here isn't going to get anywhere because there aren't any Big East supporters here and most of the people here are Penn State/Ohio State fans who think they have the greatest team every year yet get blown out each year in big bowl games. (Surprise this year they are actually winning games.)

And to Killa Pand, you can't convince me that the Big 10 is better because it simply isn't. Half of the teams in the Big East are garbage? Then please explain to me how the worst team in our conference took Minnesota (A bowl eligible Big 10 team) to overtime with a QB that didn't play football for 4 years?

 

[Bear Pand]

And to Killa Pand, you can't convince me that the Big 10 is better because it simply isn't. Half of the teams in the Big East are garbage? Then please explain to me how the worst team in our conference took Minnesota (A bowl eligible Big 10 team) to overtime with a QB that didn't play football for 4 years?

I don't care what Minnesota did. I guess you missed the part of my post where I said conference pride is lame.

It's simple, the Big East still hasn't recovered from losing VT/Miami/BC.

Their coaches get poached by bigger conferences/schools. Petrino had Lousiville rolling GONE to the SEC. Kelly had cincy rolling GONE to Notre Dame. Rodriguez had WVU rolling GONE to the Big 10.

The pollsters don't take them seriously, look how bad Cincy got disrespected. How do you finish undefeated and end up ranked lower than a Mountain West school?

The Big East is a scrap heap fringe BCS school, they need to get their shit together so you can have something worthy of being a homer about.

:guns:

 

[trojan49er]

What do you think they did when they lost Miami, VT and BC?

Besides they'll lose another/more team(s) in a few years, anyways.

And then what? They end up a conference of even fewer teams with even less quality, still retaining their auto-bid to a BCS game? They lost three of their top teams when Miami, BC, and VT left. It's allowed other teams to step up and fill the void, but they havent even come close to matching what those teams brought in quality. They need to try and get some quality teams from mid-level conferences in hopes of boosting the overall quality of their conference or they need to be stripped of their auto-bid and the Mountain West should be the one to reap the rewards, especially since the MWC is getting Boise State (I believe). That gives them 3-4 teams that have shown they can compete with high level programs.

 

[Sportsbuck]

In my post I actually meant to say that Oregon State and USC were equals, both were very inconsistent this year. However, USC beat Ohio State at the Shoe. Cincy beat Oregon State on the road. So explain to me which is better again? A loss at home or a win on the road?

And yet, they aren't equals. USC beat 8-5 Oregon State and went 9-4 in the process.

Let me point out how retarded that even sounds. Bobby Bowdens last game ever was reason enough to think that WVU would lose. I had a really bad feeling about this game. It was basically a road game for WVU AND the emotional factor for that team wanted to send him out with a win.

How is it retarded at all? The only thing in this thread that is retarded is you.

Nothing... nothing can excuse WVU losing to a terrible 6-6 Florida State team. I don't care if it was Bobby Bowden's last game.

And a road team argument? We play the Rose Bowl vs. Pac10 in Cali. Capital One vs. SEC in Florida. Outback vs. SEC in Florida. Alamo vs. Big 12 in Texas. Champs Sports vs. ACC in Florida. And hell the Insight Bowl in Arizona isn't far off from Big 12 territory.

Pitt could barely beat the 4th best team in the ACC Coastal... Last time I checked Ohio State lost to the 4th best Pac 10 team and 7th or 8th Big 10 team in Purdue. Pitt played, once again, basically a road game. They won the game and UNC had home field advantage.

I'm pretty sure we were talking non-conference here... and Pitt lost to 5-7 NC State who finished behind Florida State in their division.

I was at the game BTW. And inside it wasn't even a homefield advantage, at worst it was 55-45 UNC fans.

Ohio State traveled across the country and played in California against a Pac-10 team that was ranked #7 in the nation and beat them soundly... Pitt traveled from Pennsylvania to North Carolina and needed a late FG to beat a team that finished 4th in their division.

Cincinnati finishes with 1 loss, an embarrassing loss but nonetheless it was one loss. If Ohio State played Florida what would the result have been? 41-14 Ring a Bell? And IMO, this Florida team would have beat Ohio State by as much or more.

I'll guarantee you one thing we wouldn't have given up 51 points. We, unlike the contingent that makes up the Big East, have a defense. We would've played a tight defensive battle with them that they probably would've won just because they have a better offense than we do and would've been able to put up more points consistently.

Cincinatti played bullshit opponents all season, and thier lone threat was a Pitt team that barely had a pulse and it took a Pitt special teams miscue for them to get out of that one unscathed.

Anyways like I said arguing about this here isn't going to get anywhere because there aren't any Big East supporters here and most of the people here are Penn State/Ohio State fans who think they have the greatest team every year yet get blown out each year in big bowl games. (Surprise this year they are actually winning games.)

When have Woy and I ever pretended that we have the greatest team every year? Hell, I've predicted Ohio State losses in more than one game. Delusion at its finest.

Ohio State is tied for 2nd overall in BCS bowl wins with 5. The Big East combined has 6. Ohio State lost two BCS bowl games in blowouts... and one you probably couldn't even classify as a blowout considering we were in it almost all game (LSU).

Pitt was the first team to lose to a mid-major opponent in a bowl, and did so in blowout fashion against Utah in 2004, losing 35-7.

But, go ahead, keep thumping your chests about us losing games that your program and your conference isn't even relavent enough to participate in.

And to Killa Pand, you can't convince me that the Big 10 is better because it simply isn't. Half of the teams in the Big East are garbage? Then please explain to me how the worst team in our conference took Minnesota (A bowl eligible Big 10 team) to overtime with a QB that didn't play football for 4 years?

You are quite honestly the only person that I have ever heard suggest that the Big East is better than the Big Ten. I've broken this down time and time again and every time the Big Ten ends up better than the Big East. But, I suppose you are about to thump your chest over bowl wins over Central Florida and Northern Illinois.

I'm pretty sure Minnesota beat Syracuse. The only conferences that brag about "taking a team to overtime" are the inferior ones.

The Big East is nothing but a conference of mediocre teams with one to two solid ones that become relavent every few years.