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Don't Blame the Bears Offensive Line!!! Its not their fault!

Ummm.....Cutler would be in the same boat as Rodgers if he held on to the ball, and you would be the highest in sacks allowed. The reason you are in the middle of the pack for sacks allowed, is because Cutler throws the ball down the field and takes his chances.

Rodgers did the same last year, and threw ridiculous picks that made fans grimace. This year he's holding onto the ball, so now they are one of the highest in sacks allowed. If Cutler would do that, you guys would be in 2nd and 18 or something on every stinkin drive.
 
Ummm.....Cutler would be in the same boat as Rodgers if he held on to the ball, and you would be the highest in sacks allowed. The reason you are in the middle of the pack for sacks allowed, is because Cutler throws the ball down the field and takes his chances.

Rodgers did the same last year, and threw ridiculous picks that made fans grimace. This year he's holding onto the ball, so now they are one of the highest in sacks allowed. If Cutler would do that, you guys would be in 2nd and 18 or something on every stinkin drive.

The amazing thing is the Packers can actually win with this formula! Jay Cutler can't.
 
Lol, I love that pic, one of my best. Thank you.

And I don't post at VSN as often as some other sites, so sorry if I'm missing something, but I always feel like a little hostility amongst fans is a good thing, little rivalry never hurts. I wasn't ready for someone basically celebrating the death of Walter Payton though - to me that crosses the line, but for you guys it seems like the norm and obviously the hostility I'm sensing is a lot worse than I would have imagined. So, sorry for even getting involved without knowing the situation. This argument is clearly for a group of guys that have some history, and I'd like to not be a part of it.

You fuckers are a couple of posts away from death threats, lol.

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Lol, I love that pic, one of my best. Thank you.

And I don't post at VSN as often as some other sites, so sorry if I'm missing something, but I always feel like a little hostility amongst fans is a good thing, little rivalry never hurts. I wasn't ready for someone basically celebrating the death of Walter Payton though - to me that crosses the line, but for you guys it seems like the norm and obviously the hostility I'm sensing is a lot worse than I would have imagined. So, sorry for even getting involved without knowing the situation. This argument is clearly for a group of guys that have some history, and I'd like to not be a part of it.

You fuckers are a couple of posts away from death threats, lol.

You got me all wrong, my friend. I'm not a bad guy at all.

I would never celebrate the passing of Waltor Payton. Until I saw your sig, I had completely forgotten about Waltor Payton. I really don't care enough of the man, to celebrate anything he's done.

I hope that clears up the misunderstanding.

Edit: Am I even spelling his first name right?
 
And yet Rodgers still only managed to throw 13 INTs all of last year. The O-line is bad yes, but most of Cutler's picks result from him taking chances that nobody in their right mind should take. I would much rather my qb take a sack than force a pass into triple coverage for a INT.

Good post.

Didn't Pittsburgh win a superbowl with one of the worst lines in the NFL?

Let's blame the line - It can't be Jay Cutler.
 
The amazing thing is the Packers can actually win with this formula! Jay Cutler can't.

The Packers have a top ranked defense, two pro bowl wide receivers, and flat out better play calling then our team. And you know what they did to fix their problems from earlier this year? They fixed the mother fucking offensive line. A terrible offensive line hinders you whether your team is good or bad, theres no question it has hindered the Bears tremendously this year. Would it fix all the problems? Definitely not, but it would definitely be a big help if the line would hold up, especially for the running game.

Derrrr...

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What? The running game is obviously the thing that's winning the Bears football games!

Forte ran for 90 yards and two touchdowns against the Browns. Against the Rams he had 91 yards with another touchdown. Back in week four he had 121 yards and another touchdown against the Lions.

What an amazing correlation! When the Bears establish the run, they win games!

Ron Turner must think it's dumb luck because he continues to let Jay Cutler lose the game for the Bears every week.

There's another pretty large correlation there... think you're missing it.

Browns
Rams
Lions

Hmmm.... oh yeah they are a combined 5-34 on the year.
 
I'll tell you the moment I lost all respect for Bears fans - when I mocked the signing of Orlando Pace, after years of this fat piece of shit being done, and I saw two fans tell me what a great signing it was going to be, and all Pace needed was a fresh start. That level of homerism, with any team, was too much to handle. I can almost understand the whole Jay Cutler thing, since there was some hope he'd be successful, but when you defend Orlando Pace to a Rams fan, you don't deserve any respect.

So, from that moment on, I will forever trash the Chicago Bears and it's fan base.

Oh don't worry they are all a bunch of retards. I will watch them from time to time but since about the mid-90s I haven't actively rooted for the Bears.

Dumb ass fans and a stupid organization that panders to dumb fans. With that being said, some of the crap being spewed on why they suck is just flat out retarded.

Yes, Ron Turner is awful. Yes, Cutler isn't doing great, but people are all about extremes on this site. Can't it just be that the team is not very talented, has poor play calling, a bad offensive line and an injured, past their prime defense?

Why does it always have to be "THIS GUY IS THE REASON!" HE'S WHY THEY LOSE!!!!!! They lose because they are a bad. they have a putrid offensive line, the worst WR corp in football, a mediocre offensive coordinator, they run a Cover 2 scheme without pass rush (aka worthless) and Cutler has made some bad decisions throughout the year.

It's really not that hard.
 
Oh don't worry they are all a bunch of retards. I will watch them from time to time but since about the mid-90s I haven't actively rooted for the Bears.

Dumb ass fans and a stupid organization that panders to dumb fans. With that being said, some of the crap being spewed on why they suck is just flat out retarded.

Yes, Ron Turner is awful. Yes, Cutler isn't doing great, but people are all about extremes on this site. Can't it just be that the team is not very talented, has poor play calling, a bad offensive line and an injured, past their prime defense?

Why does it always have to be "THIS GUY IS THE REASON!" HE'S WHY THEY LOSE!!!!!! They lose because they are a bad. they have a putrid offensive line, the worst WR corp in football, a mediocre offensive coordinator, they run a Cover 2 scheme without pass rush (aka worthless) and Cutler has made some bad decisions throughout the year.

It's really not that hard.

Agreed.

But I still say by bringing in Mike Martz, Jay Cutler's accuracy, decision making, and attitude all change for the better. And if it doesn't, Mike Martz has proven throughout the years, he doesn't need a strong arm, pro bowl QB, to succeed. You bring in Mike Martz, and no way in hell is your offense ranked 24th in the NFL.
 
cutler will absolutely need a "QB" guy to come in next year. Martz would be a great option. They do need to address the WR corps though because that crew is just god awful. Devin Hester shouldn't be a #1 receiver on any team.

The problem is, it might only be for one year as they'll likely let Lovie go once his contract runs out.
 
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We have a new offensive linemen at every position except for Center.
2 spots. Garza was the starting RG last year...and this year.
I think the offensive line does suck. In fact, its probably the worst in the league, and the starting tackle combinations of Pace/Williams and Williams/Shaffer are possibly the worst starting tackle combos of the entire decade. Amazingly, the Pace/Williams combination is what the Bears CHOSE to enter the year with. At least on the defensive side of the ball they can somewhat blame Urlacher's injury...they have no one else to blame about their offensive line.


Omiyale is one of the worst offensive linemen I have ever seen.

Kruetz has been severely overrated for years. He is in the lower-tier of starting centers, IMO.

Garza is a good run blocker but not such a good pass blocker. Still, he is a decent player and would be a starter on several other NFL teams.

Williams is weak and slow. He brings nothing to the table.

Shaffer is a practice squad type player who is now a starter. He occupies the RT spot...thats about all you can say.
Agreed.

FedEx said:
Why does it always have to be "THIS GUY IS THE REASON!" HE'S WHY THEY LOSE!!!!!! They lose because they are a bad. they have a putrid offensive line, the worst WR corp in football, a mediocre offensive coordinator, they run a Cover 2 scheme without pass rush (aka worthless) and Cutler has made some bad decisions throughout the year.

It's really not that hard.
I think this is the best post of this entire mess of a thread.

Cutler and the Bears are in some sort of worst case scenario for this team this season. The Bears defense is old, injured, slow, and is running a scheme predicated on having a pass rush and quality players at the 3 technique tackle position, the line backer position, and at a safety position. They have none of these things. Harris is hurt/done, Urlacher is out, and well the Bears haven't had a good safety in years.

The offense and Jay Cutler are in even worse shape. Look, I will say this up front Cutler makes some absolutely horrendous choices with the ball at times. Even at his Pro-Bowl best so far in his young career he was a QB with ball security issues.

Now everything is compounding on this offense. Cutler has the propensity to make mistakes. His offensive line sucks. His WR's suck. His offensive coordinator sucks. Everything builds on itself. Ron Turner is awful and couldn't call a game to save his life. Even if he could the offensive line can't block making Cutler, who's decision making can be shaky at time, rush his throws to wide receivers who are bad. They either aren't open, aren't where they are supposed to be, don't where where they are supposed to be, or don't have a chance or aren't gifted enough to make a play on a badly thrown ball...or even a well thrown ball. Hell even if Cutler had time I don't have much, if any faith, in this WR corps knowing what to do or being good enough to consistently get open. There's a reason that a guy like Johnny Knox can be drafted in the 5th Rnd and immediately become your best WR, or how a guy like Aromashodu can not even be active for half the season and all of a sudden become the focal point of the offense...The WR's are just bad.

Yes Cutler has to make better choices with the ball. Maybe this failure of a year will finally drive that point home? Maybe as he gets older and matures he will learn it? Maybe he never learns it but still he needs to be smarter than the ball. But pinning this all on Cutler, or all on the Oline or all on the WR's or all on Ron Turner is just off base.

It's been a total systemic failure of the offense and of the team in general. I will say this though, Cutler has the chance to do some very good to great things in Chicago if they fix the situations around him...and he helps himself out by being smarter with the football.
 
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