[ALL] Duke Nukem Forever back on track

[Twigg4075]

Hey guys, be sure to let me know how long it is if and when you finish it. I'm guessing there isn't much replayability though?

Has anyone tried the online modes?

 

[A Tasty Burgerr]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vid...on/3581-Duke-Nukem-Forever-for-real-this-time


Someone should fix the arcade so it allows embedding from non-youtube sites again.

 

[SethMode]

I actually really like that Yahtzee review, coming from a person who as started to really get sick of him. For once, he is actually fair towards a game, and all it took was a game that took years to come out and is polarizing (at best) among people that play it. And what comes out? A somewhat middleground review. I realize that it is his shtick but, it doesn't seem like much a coincidence that the first hyped and poorly reviewed game he does gets a not so horrible treatment from him, kind of makes him a parody of himself at this point.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Here's to hoping the review I posted was what got you guys to give it a chance.

The guy is spot on. That was what put me over the top and decided to get it. I also agree with his points on the Witcher 2- I don't think I ever saw a review where so many negative things were brought up (and at least one I remember- inventory system- is extremely important in RPG) and it still got a score of 9.

 

[Twigg4075]

The guy is spot on. That was what put me over the top and decided to get it. I also agree with his points on the Witcher 2- I don't think I ever saw a review where so many negative things were brought up (and at least one I remember- inventory system- is extremely important in RPG) and it still got a score of 9.

Yeah, I don't know anything about The Witcher except for the reviews I've heard and read. I do think that a game review should be more than the sum of it's parts but I've heard a TON of negative things about that game and yet it seems to get 9's across the board. Another glaring thing that stood out is apparently how difficult the learning curve is and how the developers seemed to just assume that you played the first one and already know how to do everything in the new game, like cast spells and access inventory. But it seems to get a pass and as far as I'm concerned that should be the loss of a point right there.

 

[SethMode]

Yeah, I don't know anything about The Witcher except for the reviews I've heard and read. I do think that a game review should be more than the sum of it's parts but I've heard a TON of negative things about that game and yet it seems to get 9's across the board. Another glaring thing that stood out is apparently how difficult the learning curve is and how the developers seemed to just assume that you played the first one and already know how to do everything in the new game, like cast spells and access inventory. But it seems to get a pass and as far as I'm concerned that should be the loss of a point right there.

I think that this was a topic that came up long ago here (review scores in general) and how shitty they are. Things like Metacritic really fuck up gaming, because people just trust this overall score for a game instead of taking the time to read a damn review. Now, I realize it's part of the times and at the crux of it I agree with the concept of a score WITH a review. My issue is that reviewers will beat the shit out of a game, leave the person wondering how shitty the score will be and give it a 9, while doing the reverse to another game.

The thing about Duke is, love it or hate it, I don't think that anyone can deny that it was fucked royally by a bunch of review nerds that WANTED it to fail. It happens ALL the time in video games. One example that comes to mind is the severely flawed Alpha Protocol. It has many aspects that are just ridiculous, yet at the same time has role playing aspects that are better than virtually any other RPG out there. Just because it was within the guise of some spy shooter (and by Obsidian) most reviewers decided to do the typical pile on.

That's another thing that bugs me about reviews in general: it seems like some guys just roll with the general consensus way too much. Enough shitty reviews out there? Let's make ours shitty too.

I'm not saying that Duke is a great game. Just that it's a fun game and I would say in no way deserving of less than a 7, and charitably an 8. Especially in a world where these modern CoD rehashes are getting fucking 9's or 10's.

 

[Twigg4075]

So I'm listening to the Giant Bombcast from 06/14 and Brad Shoemaker said "The real crime is that this is a full priced game. They are putting this game out there with other modern games and charging $60 also, which they shouldn't be."

 

[jms493]

So I'm listening to the Giant Bombcast from 06/14 and Brad Shoemaker said "The real crime is that this is a full priced game. They are putting this game out there with other modern games and charging $60 also, which they shouldn't be."

that cast is hysterical with the Nukem impressions....lulz. Yes it is a crime....but that what business is most of the time....good old crime.

 

[BrntO4Life]

I finally played the demo to at least get real impressions of this game. Unless the demo is drastically different from retail (which is definitely possible), all of my conclusions about the game from watching the GB Quick Look were pretty much spot-on.

 

[Twigg4075]

that cast is hysterical with the Nukem impressions....lulz. Yes it is a crime....but that was business is most of the time....good old crime.

Yes they were. Gerstman was cracking me up although they were railing on it so long. I just kept thinking "Ok, I get it, you hate the game."

I just thought it was funny that Brad said exactly what I said. Not that GB is the end all, be all of opinions. It was just interesting to hear someone like them with the exact opinion I had.

 

[Bmore]

I've gotten pretty far in this game, here some tidbits.

- Graphics are Halo 1 level. Some of the scenery is good, but for the most part it is very griddy. The rag doll effects are fine, however the hair and clothes (or lack there of :thumbsup look really poor.

- Game play is fun. As a person who has played the original Duke Nukems, I must say I'm enjoying every bit of this game. The commentary is hilarious, the little tidbits they've added are superb.

- The controls for the most part are good. when you are controlling the monster truck it can get a bit finnecky*.

Overall I love the game, I'm a game play 1st/ graphics 2nd guy. Where the graphics fall short (and ooooooh do they), the game play lifts it back up. When I finish the game though, I'll give my final thoughts.

 

[Bmore]

Beat the game last night. Just wanted to add a few things to my previous list.

- Loading Times.... OMFG... This game has probably the worst and most notable loading screens I've ever seen. No Lie. At times I got off on a tangent and started surfing the web to eat up the time it takes for the next chapter to load.

- Story Line/Ending. Very decent ending, climax was ok. Although it did feel like I was fighting just another average boss (like the first couple you fight). I won't say that the fight was easy, because I had to do it 4-5 times to get past it. I will compliment the game on it's looooooong storyline. I felt like it was never going to end.

Overall not a bad game, I'd give it a 6.5/10

I have a feeling they will release a sequel and it will be better (graphically). However, the sales may dip, because people will still have this game in the back of there minds. Then again a 13-or-so year build up will tend to set high expectations. I'm just glad it was different and not just another COD/MOH/BF rehash.

 

[Twigg4075]

So I was listening to Talk Radar #158 this morning and while Chris Antista was discussing game deals he mentions the $20 coupon Kmart was offering at the time when you bought the game for $60. He says "There is no way that game should've been $60. The reviews would've been so much better.' And then the other guys chime in and agree emphatically.

Just sayin'.

 

[Bmore]

So I was listening to Talk Radar #158 this morning and while Chris Antista was discussing game deals he mentions the $20 coupon Kmart was offering at the time when you bought the game for $60. He says "There is no way that game should've been $60. The reviews would've been so much better.' And then the other guys chime in and agree emphatically.

Just sayin'.

In reality the only games (IMO) that are worth $60 come to few and far between. They have to meet certain criteria.

1. They need to have replay value. (Duke (once again IMO) does not)
2. Storyline/Gameplay
3. Graphics up to date (Duke fell far short of acceptable)
4. They need some sort of multiplayer (if lacking, this can be made up for Ex. Mass Effect/Fallout)

For the most part 2/4 of this checklist can be seen prior to purchasing a game. However, you can't really tell the replay value/Game play unless you've already bought and began playing it.

So when it comes down to it. Was Duke Nukem Forever worth $60? No. Could you tell its worth prior to purchasing the game? No. Hindsight is 20/20

Should the game developer/ 2k games knew it wasn't worth $60? Yes. Should the game developer/ 2k games sold it for $60? Yes.

If I'm working at 2k, I want to milk every penny I can out of this franchise now, because Duke' Nukem is stale and not a hot commodity anymore (if it ever was).