EA license with the NFLPA good for another few years

[Primetime]

I've given myself a few concussions just trying to play the game. They should consider that.

 

[spursup]

2k could release a new game tomorrow that is not only a threat to Madden 15, but an absolute better game. I get that you're trying to establish a website that champions EA Sports games Bill ... but NFL2k5 is still a better game than Madden 25 .... and that is really wrong.

Be realistic. 2K hasn't released a football game in almost a decade. Their first few years wouldn't be a threat to Madden. EA wouldn't start panicking until the 5th year at earliest.

 

[Argath]

Be realistic. 2K hasn't released a football game in almost a decade. Their first few years wouldn't be a threat to Madden. EA wouldn't start panicking until the 5th year at earliest.

You make the assumption that they'll build a game from scratch in the same one year time frame that EA sticks to.

When in reality, if 2k were to do something like this, they would probably take 2-3 years to develop the first game and ensure they have a solid base to build off of. Yes, EA would be panicking about this and no, it would not take 4-5 versions of a game before they're up to par with EA.

 

[PP]

It wouldn't take 2K 2 years to build the game. They have their base engine I am sure.

 

[MrBill]

2k could release a new game tomorrow that is not only a threat to Madden 15, but an absolute better game. I get that you're trying to establish a website that champions EA Sports games Bill ... but NFL2k5 is still a better game than Madden 25 .... and that is really wrong.

Right, because when given a choice between Madden 2005 and NFL 2K5, Madden sold twice as many copies at a $30 premium ($49.99 to $19.99) than 2K. I thought 2K did a better job on graphics and presentation and it was good to have them in the mix but Madden was here before 2K, they sold significantly more copies when 2K was around, and they are here after 2K.

I don't understand this whole "champions EA Sports" malarkey. Just because I have led the charge to reestablish relationships with EA that were fractured under the "Lord of the Flies" mentality that prevailed here for several years does not make me a shill. The rampant retardation ran off some of the best known community managers in the industry from our site (not just EA) which does not serve the greater good. You will never get a new feature (or return of an old one) by being negative. If that worked, VSN would have cornered the entire god damned Internet and shut down OS and every other sports gaming site in existence.

I've said numerous times that I think competition is good for gamers. Look at the NBA, 2K released a graphically wonderful game that plays like shit. So bad that people were getting refunds from Amazon and other retailers for a game that had been opened and played. What do you want to bet that now that EA has returned with the Live series, that some 2K releases a fully baked version of their NBA game next year?

 

[buckeye]

Have a talk with the NBA Live Game Changers next time you all have a super secret meeting :lol4:

If 2k had the ability to put out an NFL title there is 0 reason to believe they wouldnt overtake Madden in a few years. Truthfully Madden has been the same game for a decade plus. You get a re-added feature here and there but the game pretty much plays the same. Same dumb fuck shit works, AI reacts the same way to the same shit over and over, simply put, the envelope is never pushed.

They make small changes each cycle, so little that the game is nothing but a roster update with slightly cleaner graphics, overlays and slightly different feel to how it moves. Guess the game has to move a little different every cycle so people wont realize right out the box how little has changed. Ill give them a head nod on the addition of connected careers but from a gameplay standpoint this shit is a joke if we are being real.


Yea, as a "Game Changer" you do damage control for their brand for free. All the same.

That's your opinion and the opinion of very few others (basically only fans of 2K football franchise)...

No need for damage control, APF2K8 and Backbreaker were both trash. NFL2K5 couldn't outsell Madden at half the price... and the few people that think it was better than Madden 05 or Madden 25 were... well ... re-read my first paragraph.

Congrats, you liked a game that is no longer around... nothing wrong with that at all. It's an opinion... just like mine, or any other person. And just like mine and every other person it doesn't mean it's right as you so persistently feel yours is...

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[buckeye]

I was a "game changer" and felt stupid for testing the game.

Uh... no you weren't Lol. They used to invite guys down from the community every year to test games. The ones who didn't get invited back that I'm aware of were the ones who went down and provided little feedback or provided positive feedback when they were there then when the game released said the exact opposite.

Several major members of the community lost the ability to attend after doing that. When site views and e-cred are more important than honesty then it defeats the purpose. Several of the guys at a major site did that back in 2010 I believe... not giving any names.

As far as being an "EA Shill" go read my Live review then please go eat a truckload of humble pie

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[MrBill]

Have a talk with the NBA Live Game Changers next time you all have a super secret meeting :lol4:

If 2k had the ability to put out an NFL title there is 0 reason to believe they wouldnt overtake Madden in a few years. Truthfully Madden has been the same game for a decade plus. You get a re-added feature here and there but the game pretty much plays the same. Same dumb fuck shit works, AI reacts the same way to the same shit over and over, simply put, the envelope is never pushed.

I think the 2K Game Changers have their hands more than full with the hot mess that was 2K 14 :lol2:

 

[buckeye]

I think the 2K Game Changers have their hands more than full with the hot mess that was 2K 14 :lol2:

If only the whole story behind that was public

But you can't blame the YT guys for stuff that was added on afterwards (VC mess).

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[Glenbino]

When Madden was beating out 2k it's because they were actually trying. Competition in the market forced them to invent real new features like the hit stick to keep people coming back.

Even if 2k didn't outsell Madden when it came back, it would at the very least force EA to give us more than the $60 roster update they are churning out right now.

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[PP]

Comparing sales and how good a game is can be pointless. Advertising plays a big part too. NFL2k5 played really well. So did AllPro. The fact is competition breeds better development and games. It puts developers on notice. We need it back for Hockey, basketball, as well.

 

[BigBucs]

Yea, the whole "Madden outsold 2k which was a third of the price" argument is utterly ridiculous. Madden has name recognition, relatively endless dollars and an A+ marketing strategy, of course they would outsell 2k. Live outsold 2K for a good while until people started to realize the strides they were making and how much better the game was than Live. The flack that NBA 2k may or may not be taking right now is nothing compared to the clusterfuck that is NBA Live.

It was quite obvious what was gonna take place if 2k had another cycle or few to create a NFL game. 2k captured the nuances of the game a lot more acurately than Madden. My gripes were the way the players ran and player models but that would improved eventually.

You can play Madden 25 pretty much the same way you were able to play Madden 05. Outs and comebacks are still $ vs man, run blockers still run past defenders, shading CBs dont work, AI doesnt adjust to the same plays being ran over and over... I can go on and on. These are issues that we have been complaining about for a decade and you all are telling me 2k wouldnt have produced a better game by now :lol2: Ok.

 

[spursup]

Yea, the whole "Madden outsold 2k which was a third of the price" argument is utterly ridiculous. Madden has name recognition, relatively endless dollars and an A+ marketing strategy, of course they would outsell 2k. Live outsold 2K for a good while until people started to realize the strides they were making and how much better the game was than Live. The flack that NBA 2k may or may not be taking right now is nothing compared to the clusterfuck that is NBA Live.

It was quite obvious what was gonna take place if 2k had another cycle or few to create a NFL game. 2k captured the nuances of the game a lot more acurately than Madden. My gripes were the way the players ran and player models but that would improved eventually.

You can play Madden 25 pretty much the same way you were able to play Madden 05. Outs and comebacks are still $ vs man, run blockers still run past defenders, shading CBs dont work, AI doesnt adjust to the same plays being ran over and over... I can go on and on. These are issues that we have been complaining about for a decade and you all are telling me 2k wouldnt have produced a better game by now :lol2: Ok.

Nobody here said 2K wouldn't have surpassed Madden by now given the chance. 2K is gone though, and what we are saying is that they wouldn't be able to compete with Madden for a long time if they came back.

 

[Glenbino]

Nobody here said 2K wouldn't have surpassed Madden by now given the chance. 2K is gone though, and what we are saying is that they wouldn't be able to compete with Madden for a long time if they came back.

I think if Madden still had the good will of the community that would be the case, but for the most part the arrow of public opinion has been pointing down on them since the exclusivity deal.

I think that people would embrace the 2k product if for no other reason than to get the attention of EA.

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[buckeye]

Yea, the whole "Madden outsold 2k which was a third of the price" argument is utterly ridiculous. Madden has name recognition, relatively endless dollars and an A+ marketing strategy, of course they would outsell 2k. Live outsold 2K for a good while until people started to realize the strides they were making and how much better the game was than Live. The flack that NBA 2k may or may not be taking right now is nothing compared to the clusterfuck that is NBA Live.

It was quite obvious what was gonna take place if 2k had another cycle or few to create a NFL game. 2k captured the nuances of the game a lot more acurately than Madden. My gripes were the way the players ran and player models but that would improved eventually.

You can play Madden 25 pretty much the same way you were able to play Madden 05. Outs and comebacks are still $ vs man, run blockers still run past defenders, shading CBs dont work, AI doesnt adjust to the same plays being ran over and over... I can go on and on. These are issues that we have been complaining about for a decade and you all are telling me 2k wouldnt have produced a better game by now :lol2: Ok.

^^^ I can tell by your post here that you either haven't played NG Madden or the fanboyism for 2K is so strong that it can never be broken.

If by quite obvious what 2k would do with another cycle... do you mean put out sub par broken games like 2K8 and BB? They had plenty of time to get those right since they were built off of 2K5...

The AI was worse in 2K8, and BB than any Madden during those times.

How many years did 2K work on APF2K8? How many for BB? More than 1 that is for sure... yet they both were massive failures with broken game modes. You don't need a license to have playable games modes... I'm sorry but that is where your argument goes down the toilet. NBA 2K has a license and yet many XB1 users cannot play game modes outside of play now. Yet somehow having the NFL license would fix their inability to have a functioning game... let alone online play That is... and has been the MO for those developers for a while.

Facts my friend ... not assumptions or opinions.

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[buckeye]

I think if Madden still had the good will of the community that would be the case, but for the most part the arrow of public opinion has been pointing down on them since the exclusivity deal.

I think that people would embrace the 2k product if for no other reason than to get the attention of EA.

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The last time an actual study was done less than 22% were dissatisfied with Madden each year. The majority of those still purchased every year.

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[Glenbino]

The last time an actual study was done less than 22% were dissatisfied with Madden each year. The majority of those still purchased every year.

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I don't get that same sense personally or from what I see from the community.

People buy it because it's the only NFL game on the market, not because it's good.

The fact that Madden just paid out a $27 million settlement to people who'd bought the game and were pissed off because of the exclusivity deal doesn't really make it seem like people are totally satisfied either.

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[Glenbino]

^^^ I can tell by your post here that you either haven't played NG Madden or the fanboyism for 2K is so strong that it can never be broken.

If by quite obvious what 2k would do with another cycle... do you mean put out sub par broken games like 2K8 and BB? They had plenty of time to get those right since they were built off of 2K5...

The AI was worse in 2K8, and BB than any Madden during those times.

How many years did 2K work on APF2K8? How many for BB? More than 1 that is for sure... yet they both were massive failures with broken game modes. You don't need a license to have playable games modes... I'm sorry but that is where your argument goes down the toilet. NBA 2K has a license and yet many XB1 users cannot play game modes outside of play now. Yet somehow having the NFL license would fix their inability to have a functioning game... let alone online play That is... and has been the MO for those developers for a while.

Facts my friend ... not assumptions or opinions.

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See the thing is that the profit margins for those games are projected before the development even starts.

2k and whoever the hell made BB weren't so naive as to fund a development team for a game they knew had no chance of competing in the console market without an NFL license.

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[BigBucs]

^^^ I can tell by your post here that you either haven't played NG Madden or the fanboyism for 2K is so strong that it can never be broken.

If by quite obvious what 2k would do with another cycle... do you mean put out sub par broken games like 2K8 and BB? They had plenty of time to get those right since they were built off of 2K5...

The AI was worse in 2K8, and BB than any Madden during those times.

How many years did 2K work on APF2K8? How many for BB? More than 1 that is for sure... yet they both were massive failures with broken game modes. You don't need a license to have playable games modes... I'm sorry but that is where your argument goes down the toilet. NBA 2K has a license and yet many XB1 users cannot play game modes outside of play now. Yet somehow having the NFL license would fix their inability to have a functioning game... let alone online play That is... and has been the MO for those developers for a while.

Facts my friend ... not assumptions or opinions.

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Broken game modes is for another discussion, my focus is on actual gameplay.

 

[Primetime]

The last time an actual study was done less than 22% were dissatisfied with Madden each year. The majority of those still purchased every year.

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http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/madden-nfl-25/user-reviews

XBOX 360:

65 Positive
11 Mixed
40 Negative

PS3:

22 Positive
12 Mixed
35 Negative

XB1:

42 Positive
6 Mixed
22 Negative

PS4:

41 Positive
11 Mixed
27 Negative

Small sample size, but you get the picture.