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Bomberooski said:
You're not going to bit the bullet?
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It's mandatory that I have to up my PS+ sub to keep playing online.

After that, I have inFamous: 2nd Son and Destiny as definite games to get.

Past that? I gotta see what reviews this one gets if I were to take the plunge.
 
Maynard said:
does ps4 require you to pay for their online service? if not, then thats not a surprise. If they do then I am shocked PS4 wouldnt require a paid subscription to their online service to play this game on the ps4

seems retarded to buy internet, buy console, buy online subscription to console service, buy game, buy monthly subscription to play game online.
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Are you not familair with Xbox Live? EVERYTHING from Netlfix to online gaming is behind a pay wall. So if you only own a 360 or XBone, you need to pay for your internet, Netflix subscription and Xbox Live justto stream Netflix on your console. It;s fucking bullshit.
MVPete said:
Exactly, I love how Twigg acts like it's a big deal that PS+ isn't required for this one game even though it is for many others. Bottom line is you are paying for an online service on both systems.
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How am I "acting like it;s a big deal"? Fuck off Pete. If anything I'm acting like it;s status quo because this is some of the least surprising news I've seen in gaming for quite some time. M$ puts EVERYTHING behind a pay wall.

I 100% agree that anyone that would be interested in playing this game online would already have a subscription to either service so it would be a moot point. What's ridiculous is that M$ refuses to bend on any of their archaic and bullshit policies that force everything behind a pay wall.

But who knows? Maybe there will be that small percentage of people that buy a PS4 just for a bluray player and this game. If that's the case all they will have to pay is the monthly subscription. Which, I'd be wiling to bet will go free soon enough, just like almost every single other MMO (not named WoW) over the past decade.
 
Twigg4075 said:
Are you not familair with Xbox Live? EVERYTHING from Netlfix to online gaming is behind a pay wall. So if you only own a 360 or XBone, you need to pay for your internet, Netflix subscription and Xbox Live justto stream Netflix on your console. It;s fucking bullshit.
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yes i am familiar. what i am not familiar with is the PS4 online pay subscription. PS4 does now charge to play games online, so the fact that they are not forcing people to be a PS+ member to play this game online is shocking. for whatever reason, they have chosen to allow ESO players to use the PS online service for no charge when playing this one game. Why give it away when they dont have to.
 
Elder Scrolls is big enough to not dump the subscription. Star Wars was the same way, but the problem with The Old Republic was that there wasn't nearly enough end-game content for hardcore MMO users. Those guys were the ones paying the subscription in 90% of cases. Now they have a good amount of end-game content, including two planets for players that are beyond the end of their storyline, plus a quest-line for a hidden character, but the hardcore MMO players have moved on and aren't coming back.

If ESO took that lesson to heart and they have the end-game content, folks will pay that subscription and we won't see it go free. If they made the same mistake, it will be free in a year or 18 months.
 
Maynard said:
yes i am familiar. what i am not familiar with is the PS4 online pay subscription. PS4 does now charge to play games online, so the fact that they are not forcing people to be a PS+ member to play this game online is shocking. for whatever reason, they have chosen to allow ESO players to use the PS online service for no charge when playing this one game. Why give it away when they dont have to.
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I'm guessing they don't want to deal with the backlash of people being pissed that they have to pay for PS+ AND the ESO monthly subscription.

Whereas MS has a track record of not giving a fuck.
 
i guess i have lost touch with the console gamers. i just dont get it anymore. why people would spend $500 for a console, then pay for games, then pay to play those games online. You could pay $750 for a quality gaming PC that is 10x better than the consoles, pay for your games, then play online for free. plus get access to all that other bullshit that you pay for on the consoles (netflix, social media, ect)

with an MMO you will pay that company subscription either way. But at least on a pc u get better games, free online play and 9/10 times a price point that is lower. plus all the mods.
 
Maynard said:
i guess i have lost touch with the console gamers. i just dont get it anymore. why people would spend $500 for a console, then pay for games, then pay to play those games online. You could pay $750 for a quality gaming PC that is 10x better than the consoles, pay for your games, then play online for free. plus get access to all that other bullshit that you pay for on the consoles (netflix, social media, ect)

with an MMO you will pay that company subscription either way. But at least on a pc u get better games, free online play and 9/10 times a price point that is lower. plus all the mods.
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I agree. But at least with PS+ you're getting tons of free games and crazy discounts. Yes, you're forced to have it now but you do get tons of benefits.

Paying to play online was a bad precedent that I wish never would've happened.
 
Twigg4075 said:
I agree. But at least with PS+ you're getting tons of free games and crazy discounts. Yes, you're forced to have it now but you do get tons of benefits.

Paying to play online was a bad precedent that I wish never would've happened.
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Hate to play devil's advocate, because in principle I agree with you, but without paying for online, do we have the kind of services that PS+ and XBL provide right now, at their current level of quality?

I'm sure that we would still have subscription levels for MMO games, as they have dedicated servers and still have to pay staff to continuously monitor, patch, upgrade, content additions, etc. But how would games like Call of Duty, Madden, Battlefield be affected, if at all?
 
ThomasTomasz said:
Hate to play devil's advocate, because in principle I agree with you, but without paying for online, do we have the kind of services that PS+ and XBL provide right now, at their current level of quality?

I'm sure that we would still have subscription levels for MMO games, as they have dedicated servers and still have to pay staff to continuously monitor, patch, upgrade, content additions, etc. But how would games like Call of Duty, Madden, Battlefield be affected, if at all?
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That's a good point. I honestly have no answer for you.

I do remember an article a while back that sepcifically focused on MS and Xbox Live and how maintaining the service cost them next to nothing and it was almsot 100% profit. Even with that they were trying to monetize it by littering every inch with ads.
 
ThomasTomasz said:
Hate to play devil's advocate, because in principle I agree with you, but without paying for online, do we have the kind of services that PS+ and XBL provide right now, at their current level of quality?

I'm sure that we would still have subscription levels for MMO games, as they have dedicated servers and still have to pay staff to continuously monitor, patch, upgrade, content additions, etc. But how would games like Call of Duty, Madden, Battlefield be affected, if at all?
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steam offers a complete online experience for no charge. i dont think the consoles offer anything that steam doesnt have in regards to the online gaming experience. you got voice chat, friends lists, invite system...all the same things you get from the consoles. all the DLC. they just dont have all those things outside of gaming that the consoles have. but 90% of that stuff is accessible on the PC anyways.
 
Bomberooski said:
So.... Is anyone still excited for the game?

:shifty:
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im not at all excited about the pay per month thing. if the game was free and you could pay $15 per month to play...ok, then i could get 3 months for the price of the game. But this buying a $60 game then paying to play it is unacceptable imo. It is ES, but i dont think that is enough of a value for me to pay that money.
 
$99.99 - available on all platforms the game is coming to

• Collector's Edition Box & Steelbook Packaging
• Molag Bal Statue – A collectible 12" statue featuring Molag Bal, Daedric Prince of domination and enslavement
• Map of Tamriel – A printed map detailing alliance-controlled zones and the ultimate conquest: Cyrodiil
• Emperor's Guide to Tamriel – A 224-page illustrated guide annotated by the Imperial scholar, Flaccus Terentius

The Imperial Edition will also have exclusive digital content including the ability to play as an Imperial in any alliance, a White Imperial Horse, Mudcrab Vanity Pet, and the Rings of Mara.

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