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Eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2011

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FedEx227

Delivers
We have more lengthy discussions going in regards to bigger individual players but I wanted to give everybody a quick run down of who's eligible this year and get maybe a quick yes or no on all the candidates.

Roberto Alomar
Carlos Baerga
Jeff Bagwell
Harold Baines
Bert Blyleven
Bret Boone
Kevin Brown
John Franco
Juan Gonzalez
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Barry Larkin
Al Leiter
Edgar Martínez
Tino Martínez
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Raúl Mondesí
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
John Olerud
Rafael Palmeiro
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Kirk Rueter
Benito Santiago
Lee Smith
B.J. Surhoff
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
 
Alomar, Bagwell, Larkin, Palmeiro, Raines, and Walker should be no brainers. Baffling how some of them have been eligible and missed.

I'm on the fence about Blyleven, E.Martinez and Parker, and change my mind daily. Ultimately I use my "its just a fucking museum who cares" theory and lean yes.

And let's get the Lenny Harris train rolling. Nothing says Hall Of Fame like being a mediocre bench player for 20 years, right Manny Mota, amirite? Amirite?
 
it also makes me feel very old knowing that I watched no less than 20 of these guys play since they were rookies. Believe it or not kids, BJ Surhoff rookie cards were in high demand at one point. Not quite as coveted as Todd Zeile, or the holy grail, Greg Jeffries, but still coveted.
 
Roberto Alomar
Carlos Baerga
Jeff Bagwell
Harold Baines
Bert Blyleven
Bret Boone
Kevin Brown
John Franco
Juan Gonzalez
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Barry Larkin
Al Leiter
Edgar Martínez
Tino Martínez
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Raúl Mondesí
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
John Olerud
Rafael Palmeiro
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Kirk Rueter
Benito Santiago
Lee Smith
B.J. Surhoff
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker
 
Of course the Yankee fans will burn up phone lines on WFAN crying about Donnie Baseball not getting in. They always bring up Puckett.
 
This is why I don't like the "steroid use" argument because of the guys eligible in the next few years that I think most likely DID cheat but weren't caught Bagwell and Edgar are the top of my list.
 
FedEx227 said:
This is why I don't like the "steroid use" argument because of the guys eligible in the next few years that I think most likely DID cheat but weren't caught Bagwell and Edgar are the top of my list.
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Then again Raffy actually tested positive. It's not like we are dealing with just some "suspicions" in regards to him.
 
FirstTimer said:
Huh?

I mean I liked Larry Walker as a player but a HOF'er?
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Woah... Juan over Larry Walker? In my mind that's insane. Either both of neither, but I don't see how you can do Juan and not Walker.

Walker: .313/.400/.565, 140 OPS+, 67.3 WAR
Gonzalez: .295/.343/.561, 132 OPS+, 33.5 WAR
 
FedEx227 said:
Woah... Juan over Larry Walker? In my mind that's insane. Either both of neither, but I don't see how you can do Juan and not Walker.

Walker: .313/.400/.565, 140 OPS+, 67.3 WAR
Gonzalez: .295/.343/.561, 132 OPS+, 33.5 WAR
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I can't ignore Walker playing in Coors Field like he did for his peak. Juan has two MVP's and even though Texas is a bandbox it's not Coors.

I still think it's insane Walker won as many Gold Gloves as he did too.

Put them both in for all I care. My perception was just always that Juan was the better player.

On it's face the name Larry Walker never really jumped out as a HOF player to me.
 
Roberto Alomar
Carlos Baerga
Jeff Bagwell
Harold Baines
Bert Blyleven
Bret Boone
Kevin Brown
John Franco
Juan Gonzalez
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Barry Larkin
Al Leiter
Edgar Martínez
Tino Martínez
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Raúl Mondesí
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
John Olerud
Rafael Palmeiro
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Kirk Rueter
Benito Santiago
Lee Smith
B.J. Surhoff
Alan Trammell
Larry Walker

As I've mentioned before I just kinda let all roid guys in because one way or another steroid guys are going to get in, so I'm not going to just pick the most obvious guys or the ones that the Feds actually went after but not the mid level guys that were doing it, etc.
 
FirstTimer said:
I can't ignore Walker playing in Coors Field like he did for his peak. Juan has two MVP's and even though Texas is a bandbox it's not Coors.

I still think it's insane Walker won as many Gold Gloves as he did too.

Put them both in for all I care. My perception was just always that Juan was the better player.

On it's face the name Larry Walker never really jumped out as a HOF player to me.
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Well, OPS+ regulates for that. Walker's OPS+ is much lower than most other guys as a result but also still puts him above Gonzalez. Plus Walker absolutely mashed on the road too.

Don't forget Juan didn't exactly play in the AstroDome, he had a pretty nice place to hit homers for a majority of his career as well.
 
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