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Even More More Rankings Madness

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New HW Rankings

1. Cain Velasquez (9-0)
The hope was that Velasquez would make the first defense of his UFC heavyweight title in April or May against Junior dos Santos. However, rehab did not mend his torn rotator cuff, and surgery became a necessity. Therefore, the first defense of the new champion will likely come this summer -- or later.

2. Brock Lesnar (5-2)
Recluse? What recluse? The infamously standoffish Lesnar is now in the middle of taping the 13th season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” where he will coach against Junior dos Santos. The season will set up a high-stakes heavyweight clash between the two, likely on June 11 at UFC 131, which might mark the UFC’s return to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
With his elbow injury healing, Werdum looks ready to return to action. Coming off his June win against Fedor Emelianenko, “Vai Cavalo” will be cast right back into the fire, as he takes on Strikeforce heavyweight champion Alistair Overeem in the quarterfinals of the promotion’s heavyweight grand prix, slated for April 9 in Japan.

4. Junior dos Santos (12-1)
Rather than wait for UFC heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez to heal from his rotator cuff injury, “Cigano” has opted to stay active. Dos Santos will coach opposite Brock Lesnar on the 13th season of “The Ultimate Fighter,” culminating in a clash between the two heavyweights, tentatively scheduled for UFC 131 on June 11.

5. Shane Carwin (12-1)
Carwin was scheduled to face “The Ultimate Fighter” Season 10 winner Roy Nelson at UFC 125 on Jan. 1. However, due to ongoing spinal problems, he opted for surgery. After a successful procedure, the Colorado native has returned to training and now eyes a purported bout with Cheick Kongo at UFC 131.

6. Frank Mir (14-5)
After a rumored fight with hot heavyweight prospect Brendan Schaub fell through, Mir has signed on to meet former International Fight League champion Roy Nelson at UFC 130 on May 28. The pair has a history, as Nelson previously defeated Mir in a grappling match at a North American Grappling Association event.

7. Antonio Silva (16-2)
When he burst on the scene in 2005, many hypothesized that Silva was the man to topple Fedor Emelianenko. The stakes changed, but on Feb. 12 in the Meadowlands, that is exactly what happened. “Pezao” pounded the legendary Russian, forcing a doctor stoppage after the second frame and punching his ticket to the semifinals of Strikeforce’s heavyweight grand prix.

8. Fedor Emelianenko (31-3, 1 NC)
It might go down as the last time we saw “The Last Emperor.” On Feb. 12 in East Rutherford, N.J., Emelianenko was battered by Antonio Silva, and the Russian, unable to see out of his right eye, was halted by the ringside physician after the second round. Following the bout, Emelianenko indicated retirement was a definite possibility -- a decision that would end the career of the greatest MMA heavyweight of all-time.

9. Alistair Overeem (34-11, 1 NC)
MMA fans have wanted to see the 2010 K-1 World Grand Prix winner back inside the cage against high-level, meaningful heavyweight opponents. They will finally get their wish on April 9. Strikeforce has plans for Overeem to meet Fabricio Werdum in a hotly anticipated Strikeforce heavyweight grand prix quarterfinal matchup in Japan.

10. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
“Minotauro” continues to mend from the hip surgery that took him out of a rematch with Frank Mir in September. Nogueira now targets August’s UFC show in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, as his desired comeback date. It would be a fitting return for one of Brazil’s greatest MMA idols.
 
it always amazes me how when a fighter from outside the UFC beats a higher ranked guy he never jumps to there rating, but when a UFC guy does he usually goes to there rating or spots higher

Some examples of this trend

Fedor ranked number 1, Werdum beats him goes to 3

Fedor ranked 4, Big Foot beats him goes to 7

Cain beats Brock, jumps to 1 because Brock was pushed into that spot after Fedor lost

Brock losses and only falls to 2, Fedor fell to 4 after being 1 for like 7 years

Mir went all the way to 2 or 3 I believe after beating Nog

Throw in guys like Melendez, he beat Aoki who was at number 2, Gil went to 3 I believe

Throw on top of it that Big Foot was like number 9 or 10, than he beats the number 4 who was just number 1 for like 7 years, yeah, there is no bias in these rankings, lol
 
I'd say right now for me....

1. Cain
2. Werdum
3. JDS
4. Brock
5. Silva
6. Overeem
7. Carwin
8. Fedor
9. Mir
10. Nelson
 
I don't mean to blast your rankings, but I just don't understand how a fighter that fails at the most basic aspect of fighting (taking a punch) can possibly be a top 5 fighter.
 
Because his wrestling is that damn good.

I think Overeem could beat Brock, but why should he be above Brock in the rankings at this point?
 
Because his wrestling is that damn good.

I think Overeem could beat Brock, but why should he be above Brock in the rankings at this point?

I guess the question is how he got there in the first place? Then to stay there after such a bad loss, with a short resume, I dunno. Seems like Brock gets cut more slack than any other MMA fighter. Also, I don't even think hes proven that he has the best wrestling in that division.
 
I posted a thread about brocks rise in the rankings from the ug, he broke all the previous trends and patterns through mma history, why? You be the judge
 
I guess the question is how he got there in the first place? Then to stay there after such a bad loss, with a short resume, I dunno. Seems like Brock gets cut more slack than any other MMA fighter. Also, I don't even think hes proven that he has the best wrestling in that division.

Where should he be?
 
Where should he be?

Depends on how you want to look at it, but where ever Fedor is Brock should be below that. He's not nearly as complete a fighter and doesn't have the resume either. If the two fought each other it would be Brock retiring after getting KO'd.
 
Depends on how you want to look at it, but where ever Fedor is Brock should be below that. He's not nearly as complete a fighter and doesn't have the resume either. If the two fought each other it would be Brock retiring after getting KO'd.

Or, Brock gets him down, and smashes his face.
 
Where should he be?

I would have Silva and Overeem ahead of Brock.

Brock belongs somewhere in the middle-to-low of any credible top 10, especially if someone is going to have Carwin or Mir ranked. Carwin should definately be ranked, and you can make a case for Mir near the bottom but I wouldnt be offended if he was left off by anybody.
 
I don't mean to blast your rankings, but I just don't understand how a fighter that fails at the most basic aspect of fighting (taking a punch) can possibly be a top 5 fighter.

To be fair, he took a bunch of punches from Carwin, survived, and came back to finish.

Of course, because it's Brock, he gets no credit for surviving, and it was all due to Carwin's bad cardio.

I guess the question is how he got there in the first place? Then to stay there after such a bad loss, with a short resume, I dunno. Seems like Brock gets cut more slack than any other MMA fighter. Also, I don't even think hes proven that he has the best wrestling in that division.

Brock is so overated, he's underated. See my response to the first quote. If it was somebody like Big Nog or Werdum who had the exact same fight with Carwin, elitists would be shitting themselves and saying how amazing it was, instead of immediately pointing at Carwin's cardio.

You have sherdog and other places overating Brock, so the elitists feel the need to overcompinsate and discredit him more than he deserves.

During the winning streak, he was an upper tier top 10 fighter, and really, after the Fedor loss there was nobody else to rank ahead of him unless you wanted to make a case for Werdum. After the Cain loss, he belongs near the bottom of the top 10, because you can't put guys like SDR, Cormier, Konrad, Khraitonov, etc (all names that would show up on a top 20) ahead of him yet because none of those guys have signature wins yet.

Does Roy Nelson really belong ahead of him? Brett Rogers, coming off a loss and an ugly win over a jouneyman like Warpath? Oldereem beat a 40 year old kickboxer. Struve hasnt done enough yet.

IDK, if you see 10 names that belong ahead of him, i'd love to see the list. Heavyweight isnt deep, and it definately isnt deep enough to bump a guy after one loss to the new #1 guy.
 
I would have Silva and Overeem ahead of Brock.

Brock belongs somewhere in the middle-to-low of any credible top 10, especially if someone is going to have Carwin or Mir ranked. Carwin should definately be ranked, and you can make a case for Mir near the bottom but I wouldnt be offended if he was left off by anybody.

Do you have JDS above Werdum?
 
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