Floyd Mayweather's thoughts on UFC 103

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how floyd see's MMA striking

 

[Steel Mamba]

:rofl:

Mirko was a phenomenal kickboxer and one of the better K-1 fighters during K-1's 'golden age' of HWs. Hanging with and defeating legends like Ernesto Hoost, Peter Aerts, and Remy Bonjasky - all premier kickboxers (Hoost argued one of the GOAT) - before he was even a full-time fighter should be enough credentials as a top striker. Not many guys can do that. Period.

Why can't he win anymore? We're talking MMA here, not kickboxing.

 

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Why can't he win anymore? We're talking MMA here, not kickboxing.

He'd have a better chance of winning if they weren't trying so hard to put his balls into his stomach (Kongo and Overeem). And CC is riding a 3-fight winning streak, so he is winning - just not against quality opponents. As for his deteriorating performance, maybe he's just gotten older and is past his prime? His once legendary TD defense hasn't been good at all, he's been injured a lot post-PRIDE and is still a relatively one sided fighter.

And I don't know how you can say Cro Cop isn't a good striker, but then I give you evidence of his ability, but then you discount it by saying 'we're talking MMA' as if he wasn't doing the exact same thing in PRIDE.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Legendary take down defense?

I don't consider what he did in another sport as evidence that he's a great striker in MMA. I just can't consider someone with poor footwork (which is crucial IMO), and average hands as a great striker.

 

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I don't consider what he did in another sport as evidence that he's a great striker in MMA. I just can't consider someone with poor footwork (which is crucial IMO), and average hands as a great striker.

Ok, to be honest with you striking is basically another word for boxing to me. lol, so maybe Rob is right, I might be looking at it a bit wrong.

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Cro Cop just hasnt been into it for a while, you can tell on his face, in his prime he was awesome and had great TD defense, probably not juicing either, who knows, guys just are not as good as time goes on, it happens, he is 36 and guys take way more of a beating competing in K-1 than MMA, he has some miles on him

Mamba you are crazy, you think Sherk is a great striker because he has pretty hands, lol

when you beat and KO guys like Igor, Aleks, Wand, Barnett, Heath, etc.. you're an elite striker, plus stopping TDs from Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, etc...means you have good TD defense

Cro Cops footwork isnt poor, he is more of a stalker, but he has shown very good footwork in the past

 

[Steel Mamba]

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ok??

Anyway I rest my case. Anyone that watched the fight last night cannot say that was elite level striking by Mirko Cro Cop.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Cro Cop just hasnt been into it for a while, you can tell on his face, in his prime he was awesome and had great TD defense, probably not juicing either, who knows, guys just are not as good as time goes on, it happens, he is 36 and guys take way more of a beating competing in K-1 than MMA, he has some miles on him

Mamba you are crazy, you think Sherk is a great striker because he has pretty hands, lol

when you beat and KO guys like Igor, Aleks, Wand, Barnett, Heath, etc.. you're an elite striker, plus stopping TDs from Coleman, Randleman, Barnett, etc...means you have good TD defense

Cro Cops footwork isnt poor, he is more of a stalker, but he has shown very good footwork in the past

Did he show good footwork last night, or any type of head movement?

 

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Anyway I rest my case. Anyone that watched the fight last night cannot say that was elite level striking by Mirko Cro Cop.

Agreed. CC has fallen off. He has not been the same since PRIDE died.

Prime CC = elite striker.

 

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ok??

Anyway I rest my case. Anyone that watched the fight last night cannot say that was elite level striking by Mirko Cro Cop.

what does last night fight have to do what he has shown in the past? no one here thought Cro Cop was what he was in his prime, thats why people kept saying 'I hope the old Cro Cop comes back'

watch his old fights, this has nothing to do with what he has done his last couple

 

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EMvAQSEhCI&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Mirko Crocop :: Forever - by logangee[/ame]

 

[Steel Mamba]

When fighters get old they lose their speed, stamina, power, etc. The physical attributes start to diminish. You don't lose your technical savvy at 35 years old. Let's look at some actual fights instead of HL reels that don't prove anything. IMO if you go back and look at his old fights you'll find that his technical display is about the same as we saw last night. The difference is Dos Santos is not Yoshido, Minowa, Randleman, Coleman, etc.

 

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When fighters get old they lose their speed, stamina, power, etc. The physical attributes start to diminish. You don't lose your technical savvy at 35 years old. Let's look at some actual fights instead of HL reels that don't prove anything. IMO if you go back and look at his old fights you'll find that his technical display is about the same as we saw last night. The difference is Dos Santos is not Yoshido, Minowa, Randleman, Coleman, etc.

lol, please, Mirko has not been into fighting for a while and got the big payday from the UFC when he came over

Mike Tyson lost his technique, started just looking for the KO, etc...it happens

 

[Steel Mamba]

lol, please, Mirko has not been into fighting for a while and got the big payday from the UFC when he came over

Mike Tyson lost his technique, started just looking for the KO, etc...it happens

Watch his old fights, you'll see. Also, remember what this all started over - a recent interview that claimed Cro Cop was an elite striker. This wasn't about what Cro Cop did in Pride which I'm sure Mayweather is probably unaware of.

 

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Watch his old fights, you'll see. Also, remember what this all started over - a recent interview that claimed Cro Cop was an elite striker. This wasn't about what Cro Cop did in Pride which I'm sure Mayweather is probably unaware of.

of course I watched his old fights, cro cop was an elite striker, I dont know who wouldnt say he wasnt besides you

well, you think Sherk is one of the best strikers in MMA...

 

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just go watch his fights against Nog, Herring, Aleks, Barnett, Wand, Igor, etc...

 

[Steel Mamba]

of course I watched his old fights, cro cop was an elite striker, I dont know who wouldnt say he wasnt besides you

well, you think Sherk is one of the best strikers in MMA...

Rewatch them and you'll see my point that his technical style is still the same. You guys just get enamoured by KO's and think that automatically means someone is a technical striker. Any technical striker that Mirko has fought he has struggled against.

 

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so you think a guy who only had great kicks could beat the guys Cro Cop beat?

Come on man, you are grasping, look at his fights, his record, the caliber of fighters he beat, etc..

 

[Steel Mamba]

just go watch his fights against Nog, Herring, Aleks, Barnett, Wand, Igor, etc...

really only one of those guys is a solid technical striker. Maybe one and a half. Herring went in against Mirko charging at him and swinging like a mad-man, please. Bad examples.

 

[Steel Mamba]

so you think a guy who only had great kicks could beat the guys Cro Cop beat?

Come on man, you are grasping, look at his fights, his record, the caliber of fighters he beat, etc..

Wand is not even a true HW, his other notable wins is against Barnett and Herring, again Herring fought him horribly.