Frank Mir vs. Daniel Cormier in September, no Big Timmy

[Cornelius]

in the early days there were worse maurice Smith you could argue Ricco Rodriguez and who do you want cormier to fight who else is there?

How about Ray Mercer?

 

[svetz17]

More from Botter..



And then there is this, when asked if he has heard who Barnett will be fighting....



When somebody said "please don't say Tony Lopez" (lol), he replied "Well, you got half the name right".

My bad I thought cormier was fighting him but Barnett should be fighting Tony Johnson if they are talking KOTC former heavyweight champ on a 2 fight win streak not a dangerous fight for Barnett so it probably will be made

 

[Liquidrob]

Maurice Smith is a historic figure in NHB/MMA, dont try and rewrite history on him just by going over his record, when he beat Mark Coleman it was probably the one of the biggest wins in NHB/MMA in its time, a game changing win

Tim had no wins that come close to beating a Monster like Coleman with less rules that were not striker friendly, Tims jab for 5 round fights do not compare to an early champ in a different time period

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Sylvia was a champion during a very thin era for heavyweights in the UFC, maybe the weakest era ever. It was easily UFC's softest weight class at the time, Barnett was shunned, Mir was recovering from his accident, Randy was at 205, the best heavyweights like Fedor were elsewhere, and guys like Tra Telligman were getting UFC title shots.

 

[svetz17]

Sylvia was a champion during a very thin era for heavyweights in the UFC, maybe the weakest era ever. It was easily UFC's softest weight class at the time, Barnett was shunned, Mir was recovering from his accident, Randy was at 205, the best heavyweights like Fedor were elsewhere, and guys like Tra Telligman were getting UFC title shots.

Not to mention Jeff Monson

 

[svetz17]

Maurice Smith is a historic figure in NHB/MMA, dont try and rewrite history on him just by going over his record, when he beat Mark Coleman it was probably the one of the biggest wins in NHB/MMA in its time, a game changing win

Tim had no wins that come close to beating a Monster like Coleman with less rules that were not striker friendly, Tims jab for 5 round fights do not compare to an early champ in a different time period

I'm not saying tim was good but he did defend a couple times beat arlovski when he was in his prime. As far as Smith I agree but he was a worse champion Dave Menne is a historical figure but you can't tell me he was good

 

[Liquidrob]

Maurice Smith was good, let's see, former Kickboxing champ, gets into the game late, Extreme Fighting HW champ, than wins the UFC title against an undefeated monster in a tougher rule set for strikers defends his belt, yeah, he wasn't any good...

 

[Cornelius]

People keep saying UFC 33 and latest 149 were the worst. For me, nothing gets worse than UFC 65: Monson vs Sylvia.

 

[svetz17]

Maurice Smith was good, let's see, former Kickboxing champ, gets into the game late, Extreme Fighting HW champ, than wins the UFC title against an undefeated monster in a tougher rule set for strikers defends his belt, yeah, he wasn't any good...

We are not talking about kickboxing we are talking about UFC the organization He defended the belt once and won because of exhaustion against tank abbott lost 2 in a row to Randleman and Couture ( respectable) beat Marco Ruas (ready to retire) barely beat Bobby Hoffman and then lost to Sobral so he was a good kickboxer but as a Heavyweight champ not great beating Mark Coleman was huge but he wasn't champion then I look at his championship run when he had the belt he fought Abbott and Couture and defended once not a great run in my book in terms of what he did as champion

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I will not allow disparaging remarks about Maurice Smith. Stop this immediately.

 

[svetz17]

bottomline pioneer for the sport but not a good run as a champion

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

bottomline pioneer for the sport but not a good run as a champion

He beat Tank into quitting :shifty:.. then lost the belt to Randy. He was already up there in age by then too. Short run.. but you could do worse then 1 defense and losing to a legend. To even compare him and Sylvia seems off-base IMO, even tho Sylvia had a "better" run as HW champ... also knocked off by Randy ironically enough.. and later Ray Mercer.. and Abe Wagner.

 

[svetz17]

true Ive never seen the tank fight so I don't know but he didn't do well in Pancrase though the oppenents he faced were strong I just can't give someone who beat everyone he could have in his time and defended the belt twice tied for a record in HW division the distinction as worst heavyweight champ

 

[SHOGUN]

Frank Mir is going to Strikeforce to meet Cormier in September.

Can't wait to see Mir get fucked up.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Interesting that hes jumping to SF for that fight.

 

[EmpireWF]

Sweet. Will be weird seeing Mir fight outside the UFC.

Also, Melendez/Healy is confirmed as the main event.

 

[svetz17]

Mir in strikeforce hmm. I hope this becomes a trend so Melendez gets some competition.

 

[partners panic]

Mir-Cormier are fighting in Oct or Nov not on the Melendez-Healy card

 

[EmpireWF]

Mir-Cormier are fighting in Oct or Nov not on the Melendez-Healy card

Both fights are September

 

[Liquidrob]

Good move by zuffa, but I would have prefered Mir vs Barnett

Mir is being sent to be slaughtered here, good company man, hopefully this means more will come over to fight Gil in the future