Great story about Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers

[bucky]

that article sucked, much like green bay does

/end bitter vikings fan rant

I forgive you dope, and completely understand.

Just like you understand that I hope Minny doesn't win a single game next year. :insert smiley:

 

[MvP]

I've always been a huge fan of Thompson. I agreed with the decision to let go of Favre. Moss is not "packers people" so things could have gotten ugly had we obtained him, and I also never liked Lynch and wanted to give James Starks a chance...and I'd say that worked out pretty well. You could also argue that no other GM is better than Thompson at finding talent in the later rounds of a draft. In terms of acquiring players, he practically brings the Moneyball theory to football.

McCarthy, on the other hand. I've always been skeptical about (and still am), specifically regarding his play-calling. The Packers success this season was possibly simply because of the roster depth established by Thompson.

 

[Liquidrob]

It's just crazy that the Favre fan boys are still holding onto this idea of the Pack treating Favre bad or handling the situation wrong, Favre is as bad as TO, one of the biggest diva's around and let the Pack hang in the wind every off season, smartest thing they did was dump him, if they kept him the most they could have hoped for was another game losing int in the playoffs

Rodgers got them actually back in the super bowl and probably will get them in more

'Fans' like Mr. Bill shouldnt even comment on the Packers, they are emotionally unstable when talking about anything relating to Thompson, Rodgers and Favre

 

[MrBill]

'Fans' like Mr. Bill shouldnt even comment on the Packers, they are emotionally unstable when talking about anything relating to Thompson, Rodgers and Favre

That's your opinion and it plus $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee. I was a Packers fan when you were still in diapers and you don't have any authority to judge who should or shouldn't comment on a situation on which you have nothing more than a layman's understanding.

Why don't you go back to your "Atlas is a Fag" or MMA forums and leave NFL talk to the grown ups.

I've always been a huge fan of Thompson. I agreed with the decision to let go of Favre. Moss is not "packers people" so things could have gotten ugly had we obtained him, and I also never liked Lynch and wanted to give James Starks a chance...and I'd say that worked out pretty well. You could also argue that no other GM is better than Thompson at finding talent in the later rounds of a draft. In terms of acquiring players, he practically brings the Moneyball theory to football.

McCarthy, on the other hand. I've always been skeptical about (and still am), specifically regarding his play-calling. The Packers success this season was possibly simply because of the roster depth established by Thompson.

As I've said earlier, Thompson is not my favorite person but will have earned my respect if the Packers can bring home the trophy. That's the only thing that really matters. As for McCarthy, I think the team wins in spite of his play calling at times but that he is a good coach overall. He really should bow out of any input to the offensive play selection.

 

[NAHSTE]

I doubt many people can tell you a single GM that has won that award in the past few years. On the other hand, just about anybody can tell you the winners of the past 5 Super Bowls.

Without looking it up, I can say that Randy Mueller (Saints) won in 1999. Thomas Dimitroff won a few years back. Scott Pioli won the award recently too. Are you done saying stupid shit?

*looks at username

*answers own question

 

[MrBill]

Without looking it up, I can say that Randy Mueller (Saints) won in 1999. Thomas Dimitroff won a few years back. Scott Pioli won the award recently too. Are you done saying stupid shit?

*looks at username

*answers own question

Note that I say not many people, not everybody smartass. Either way, it's certainly not as stupid as your repeatedly saying that Michael Vick did not personally kill any dogs...

 

[NAHSTE]

Note that I say not many people, not everybody smartass. Either way, it's certainly not as stupid as your repeatedly saying that Michael Vick did not personally kill any dogs...

bama:

Nice deflection attempt.

 

[bucky]

you have nothing more than a layman's understanding.

Now I know you were not directing this at me, BUT..... I take exception to this. I followed it all pretty closely, and I have to agree with Liquid. Brett let himself think he was too important and had expectations of over stepping his own responsibilities and into others, such as the Coach and GM. Threw some hissies when he didn't get his way. Probably felt the pressure of winning again before retiring and thought he knew better than the ones in charge. Looks to me like the ones in charge know what they are doing.

I kept an open mind and would have been fine if GB had taken Favre back, until I saw the Greta Infomercial he put on. At that point, I knew he was overstepping his bounds, he wanted out, and that caving to him and losing Rodgers would be a mistake. Especially after watching Brett late in the season in Cold Weather games. I was an EARLY Rodgers and TT supporter.

From that point on I was all in support of Rodgers. Some others just can't seem to let go and keep blaming the GB front office, particularly blaming TT. You don't see them much anymore on any of the Packer Boards or here. I expect them to come back out of the woodwork if GB loses the SB, which is very possible. Pitts a very good team. Not me though. I think GB is in pretty good shape for at least a couple more years.

 

[MrBill]

bama:

Nice deflection attempt.

Any time you want to call me stupid, know that you swore Michael Vick never killed a single dog.....

:smug:

 

[bucky]

Any time you want to call me stupid, know that you swore Michael Vick never killed a single dog.....

:smug:

It's gonna be a long time before Mr. North lives that one down. Blind faith and homer-ism. It happens. Poor guy. It must have sucked being an Atlanta fan when that was all going down.

 

[NAHSTE]

It's gonna be a long time before Mr. North lives that one down. Blind faith and homer-ism. It happens. Poor guy. It must have sucked being an Atlanta fan when that was all going down.

Yeah it sucked and I stopped reading about the story at some point. What I said was "I think Vick had his henchmen do his dirty work for him" which is still more or less true. I still have a long way to go in the loss of credibility department to keep up with Mr. Bill. Since we're on the subject of blind faith and homerism, and all.

I've admitted I was wrong about that, yet Mr. Bill still insists that Brett Favre is a god/has a large penis/etc.

 

[MrBill]

Now I know you were not directing this at me, BUT..... I take exception to this. I followed it all pretty closely, and I have to agree with Liquid. Brett let himself think he was too important and had expectations of over stepping his own responsibilities and into others, such as the Coach and GM. Threw some hissies when he didn't get his way. Probably felt the pressure of winning again before retiring and thought he knew better than the ones in charge. Looks to me like the ones in charge know what they are doing.

I kept an open mind and would have been fine if GB had taken Favre back, until I saw the Greta Infomercial he put on. At that point, I knew he was overstepping his bounds, he wanted out, and that caving to him and losing Rodgers would be a mistake. Especially after watching Brett late in the season in Cold Weather games. I was an EARLY Rodgers and TT supporter.

From that point on I was all in support of Rodgers. Some others just can't seem to let go and keep blaming the GB front office, particularly blaming TT. You don't see them much anymore on any of the Packer Boards or here. I expect them to come back out of the woodwork if GB loses the SB, which is very possible. Pitts a very good team. Not me though. I think GB is in pretty good shape for at least a couple more years.

You know that it wasn't directed at you bucky. We've both been Packers fans long enough to agree to disagree on certain matters. I'll never be convinced that trading Favre after going 13-3 to go to an at the time unproven entity in Rodgers and the 6-10 record was a good idea. Certainly, Favre should have moved on after 1 more year in favor of Rodgers. The only good thing to me that came out of trading Favre was that the draft pick was used on Clay Matthews who is ironically now my favorite player on the team.

This isn't the time for bickering amongst the base, it's time for everybody to focus on supporting the players to bring home the Lombardi trophy to Title Town. That will do more to help soothe all of the ruffled feathers than anything else ever could. In 5 years, Favre will go into the Hall of Fame as one of the best Packers to ever play the game and his number will have been retired by the team. It's quite possible he even comes back into the fold as a goodwill ambassador for the team as anger fades and people remember all of the good things he did for the team, the local community and the league.

 

[Liquidrob]

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[Colonel Angus]

it's time for everybody to focus on supporting the players to bring home the Lombardi trophy to Title Town.

I'm pretty sure Titletown is officially one word.

 

[Spidey]

At this point I would normally not even bother arguing the Favre thing with MrBill anymore. We see things very differently and although I take my shots here and there at him for it, I respect MrBill.

However, I am going to post this here because its my side of the argument on the exact same topic that I had personally with a friend and I can just copy and paste it. He has a pretty much identical mindset and thinking as you MrBill. In fact, you may be more open minded on the subject than he is, cause he is a life long Packers fan and is actively rooting against them tomorrow. He will never forgive TT and MM and for some weird reason blames Rodgers as the main culprit for running Favre out of town. Anyway here was my response to him saying that getting rid of Favre cost us the Super Bowl the following year...

I'll probably regret doing this but I am going to anyway. Its the only point I am going to make though as me and you have argued this ad nauseam and I think we both know we aren't changing each others mind. Theres no point in going at it again.

The point about it being 3 years too late or the notion that we would have won a Super Bowl or have been much better in 2008 with Favre. Favre was a special player, don't get me wrong, but I just don't understand how that argument can be made

2007 Brett Favre: 4155 yds, 28 TDs, 15 INTs
2008 Aaron Rodgers: 4038 yds, 28 TDs, 13 INTs

Its nearly identical. I don't understand this notion that we would have been better with Favre. Sure, maybe he wills us through a game or two but he wasn't going to make us 10-6 instead of 6-10, much less repeat the 13-3 of 2007. If theres on major factor to blame in 2008, it was the defense. No way Favre can do anything about that unless he gains 300 lbs and starts stuffing the run.

2007 D: 6th in points against, 12th against the pass, 14th against the rush
2008 D: 22nd in points against, 12th against the pass, 26th against the rush

I think if anything, Favre and the Vikings proved this year that being in the NFC championship one year does not come even close to guaranteeing you will get back the following. Theres a ton of factors. The division winner get the harder schedule (based on the year before doesn't always turn out that way in the end). Other teams improve like the Bears and Lions. Was it a risky move to let Favre go, it doesn't seem like it in retrospect but at the time hell yeah it seemed crazy. However, in hindsight, I don't think it made a huge difference and don't see how someone could argue it did outside of the "Magic of Favre" argument.

And thus ends the only argument I will make on the matter. As I said, I don't expect this will have any effect. Just wanted to make a point. No real need to get in yet another full blown debate which results in nothing.

 

[Spidey]

And much like I did with him. That will be my last post on the topic. As you said, this isn't a time for bickering. I just can't help myself cause I don't understand the notion that we gave up a Super Bowl by getting rid of Favre.

Go Pack Go. Just over 24 hours! Cant wait!

 

[Colonel Angus]

Time to break up this argument.

Over/under how many ridiculous dances BJ Raji does tomorrow. I'll set the number at 4.