Hall of fame or no?

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I guess I will start

Jim Thome
Pedro Martinez

 

[Miggy]

Omar Vizquel

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

tough to say. One of the better defensive shortstops to play the game, but nothing special with the bat.

Marck McGuire (lol)?

no, seeings how his percentage of votes went down from his first year of eligibility I dont think he gets in.

Jorge Posada??

no

John Smoltz
Mike Mussina

 

[Lanteri]

I'll just go ahead give my opinion on all of em:

Schilling - Yes. 3000+ Ks, dominant post-season record. Well above-average ERA.
Kenny Rogers - Not a snowball's chance in hell. If he's a HOFer, then so is Jamie Moyer, and neither are.
Pettitte- Nope. Steroids. Wouldn't be either way.
Ivan Rodriguez - Easily. Probably the best all-around catcher ever. 13 time gold-glover, 7 silver sluggers, 1 MVP. 14 time all-star. 18th among active hitters in batting average. etc.
Pedro Martniez - Without a doubt. First ballot. Greatest pitcher of his era by far.
Jim Thome - Hard to say with him. He's got the power #s and the OBP, but something about him doesn't give me that HOF feeling.
Omar Vizquel - I like Omar. 11 gold gloves, decent basestealer, serviceable hitter. He should get in on his glove at some point.
Mark McGwire- Steroids, No.
Jorge Posada - Hell no.
John Smoltz - Maybe not first ballot, but definitely should get in at some point.
Mike Mussina- NO. Won 20 games only 1 time in his entire career. Didn't reach the 3,000 strikeout plateau, only won 270 games in 18 years. Career 3.68 ERA isn't HOF impressive to me. Never really was the best pitcher on any team he was on, so I can't really put him in the hall.

And to add a few of my own:

Roy Halladay
Ichiro
Todd Helton
Vlad Guerrero

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Roy Halladay-maybe, have to see how his career plays out
Ichiro- Yes, will only be a couple hundred short of 3000 hits in not that much time playing in America
Todd Helton- If somehow he can pick his career back up, like you said about Thome somthing about him jsut doesnt say HOF to me
Vlad Guerrero- Yes, probably will be a DH for the next couple f seasons and should still hit for power along with a good average.

I got a couple good ones, most likely it will be no but these guys should be interesting
Shawn Green
Larry Walker

 

[Chrispy]

Schilling - Borderline, postseason record helps his case though
Kenny Rogers - No
Pettitte- Maybe, the steriod controversy hurt his case
Ivan Rodriguez - Yes
Pedro Martniez - Yes
Jim Thome - borderline
Mark McGwire- Steroids, No.
Jorge Posada - nope, numbers aren't good enough..
John Smoltz - Should get in but not first ballot
Mike Mussina- Borderline


How about?
Derek Jeter
Mariano Rivera
Manny Ramirez
Larry Walker
Jeff Kent

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Derek Jeter- of course
Mariano Rivera- of course
Manny Ramirez- of course, the bigger question is what team he will go in for
Larry Walker- Let someoen else do Larry Walker as already gave my opinion on him
Jeff Kent- I say yes just because he played 2B

 

[EmpireWF]

Schilling - Borderline is right. Only 3 20-win seasons, several All Star appearances. Won 3 WS' and performed well in the post-season. 216 career wins. i'm not sure that's enough to get in though.

Kenny Rogers - No
Pettitte- No.
Ivan Rodriguez - Yes
Pedro Martniez - Yes
Jim Thome - I'd say no, but I would not be horrified if he ever got in. He was an awesome hitter but can you say he was among the top 5 best over a good stretch of his career? Didn't play well in the post-season and never won an MVP.
Mark McGwire- If you consider roided up players, yes. I would say no because besides the HRs, what was he? Fair? Perhaps not, but life isn't fair.
Jorge Posada - No.
John Smoltz - Yes, no doubt.
Mike Mussina- Borderline with a likely Yes vote somewhere down the line.


How about?
Derek Jeter - Yes. He will get close to 300 hits (who knows), several AS game appearances, as good a post-season player in the modern era, always at the top of the AL in hits, three gold gloves

Mariano Rivera - Yes. No doubt, the greatest closer of our generation.
Manny Ramirez - Yes. No doubt. Arguably the greatest hitter of our generation.
Larry Walker - No. just over 2100 hits, about 380 Hrs, 5 AS appearances, 1 MVP, 7 Gold Gloves, 3 Batting Titles. Has some good stats but I'm not sure about him.
Jeff Kent - I'd say yes. Best offensive 2B of our generation.

How about...

Carlos Delgado
Craig Biggio
Frank Thomas

 

[Vinsane]

tough to say. One of the better defensive shortstops to play the game, but nothing special with the bat.

Marck McGuire (lol)?

This better be a joke, since when does the bat decide your ticket?

 

[FirstTimer]

Schilling - Borderline is right. Only 3 20-win seasons, several All Star appearances. Won 3 WS' and performed well in the post-season. 216 career wins. i'm not sure that's enough to get in though.

Kenny Rogers - No
Pettitte- No.
Ivan Rodriguez - Yes
Pedro Martniez - Yes
Jim Thome - I'd say no, but I would not be horrified if he ever got in. He was an awesome hitter but can you say he was among the top 5 best over a good stretch of his career? Didn't play well in the post-season and never won an MVP.
Mark McGwire- If you consider roided up players, yes. I would say no because besides the HRs, what was he? Fair? Perhaps not, but life isn't fair.
Jorge Posada - No.
John Smoltz - Yes, no doubt.
Mike Mussina- Borderline with a likely Yes vote somewhere down the line.


How about?
Derek Jeter - Yes. He will get close to 300 hits (who knows), several AS game appearances, as good a post-season player in the modern era, always at the top of the AL in hits, three gold gloves

Mariano Rivera - Yes. No doubt, the greatest closer of our generation.
Manny Ramirez - Yes. No doubt. Arguably the greatest hitter of our generation.
Larry Walker - No. just over 2100 hits, about 380 Hrs, 5 AS appearances, 1 MVP, 7 Gold Gloves, 3 Batting Titles. Has some good stats but I'm not sure about him.
Jeff Kent - I'd say yes. Best offensive 2B of our generation.

How about...

Carlos Delgado
Craig Biggio
Frank Thomas

Schilling- In easily. 3 20 win seasons is more than Pedro had. More career wins than Pedro. More K's than Pedro, more rings than Pedro. His ERA is better than the MLB average over his career by a wide margin. He's in no doubt.

Kenny Rogers- No.

Pettite- No

Pudge- Yes

Pedro Martinez- Yes easily. But to whoever said he is the best pitcher of this era by a wide margin I would disagree. Greg Maddux IMO is in that conversation and possibly the best. More career wins, more Cy Youngs, more strikeouts and the same amount of rings. Maddux>Pedro IMO.

Thome-Yes, but most likely not on first ballot. 500 clean HR's one of the premier sluggers in baseball for his time. His image and clean steroid record will help him out a lot.

Mark McGwire- Nope. Steroids, low average, not very good defensivly.

Posada- No.

John Smoltz- Yes. Easy.

Mussina- Yes. But not on first ballot.

Derek Jeter- Yes. Easy.

Mariano Rivera- Yes. Easy.

Manny Ramirez- LOL at this even being a question. He's in the covnersation as the best right handed hitter ever.

Larry Walker- No.

Jeff Kent- Yes.

Carlos Delgado- Yes. But not on first ballot

Craig Biggio- Yes.

Frank Thoma- Yes. Easy.

 

[Senser81]

Schilling- maybe

Kenny Rogers- No.

Pettite- No

Pudge- LOCK

Pedro Martinez- LOCK

Thome-maybe

Mark McGwire- Yes

Posada- No.

John Smoltz- maybe

Mussina- No

Derek Jeter- LOCK

Mariano Rivera- LOCK

Manny Ramirez- LOCK

Larry Walker- Maybe

Jeff Kent- Maybe

Carlos Delgado- No

Craig Biggio- Yes.

Frank Thoma- LOCK

 

[FirstTimer]

Schilling- maybe

Kenny Rogers- No.

Pettite- No

Pudge- LOCK

Pedro Martinez- LOCK

Thome-maybe

Mark McGwire- Yes

Posada- No.

John Smoltz- maybe

Mussina- No

Derek Jeter- LOCK

Mariano Rivera- LOCK

Manny Ramirez- LOCK

Larry Walker- Maybe

Jeff Kent- Maybe

Carlos Delgado- No

Craig Biggio- Yes.

Frank Thoma- LOCK

McGwire is a yes? How so?

 

[Senser81]

McGwire is a yes? How so?

He'll eventually get in because of his home run total. There is going to be a year when every good candidate on the ballot will have taken steroids, and that will be the year McGwire gets in.

 

[nesper]

nobody thinks posada wont sneak in because he is a yankee? i would say thome is a no

 

[EmpireWF]

He'll eventually get in because of his home run total. There is going to be a year when every good candidate on the ballot will have taken steroids, and that will be the year McGwire gets in.

I doubt McGwire ever gets in. He had about 23% in 2009...he would need over three times as much to get in. Where do you see that support coming from?

 

[Senser81]

I doubt McGwire ever gets in. He had about 23% in 2009...he would need over three times as much to get in. Where do you see that support coming from?

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[dell71]

Schilling- Yes

Kenny Rogers- No.

Pettite- No

Pudge- LOCK

Pedro Martinez- LOCK (btw, Maddux, Clemens & Randy Johnson all have more wins, cy youngs, strikeouts, etc. but I'd take a healthy Pedro to win one game over any of them with the possible exception of Johnson)

Thome- yes (I think he'll get in but like some others have said, I don't get that HOF feeling from him)

Mark McGwire- no (tough case; just hard to make up the necessary ground he needs to get in)

Posada- No.

John Smoltz- yes

Mussina- yes (eventually)

Derek Jeter- LOCK

Mariano Rivera- LOCK

Manny Ramirez- LOCK

Larry Walker- Maybe (I can see it both ways on him)

Jeff Kent- Maybe (another guy I can see it both ways on)

Carlos Delgado- Yes (awesome power #'s; will likely approach & possibly surpass 600 hrs & 1800 rbi)

Craig Biggio- Yes

Frank Thomas - LOCK


To add a few for you to chew on:

Trevor Hoffman
Sammy Sosa
Gary Sheffield
Vladimir Guerrero

 

[Pills]

Schilling- maybe. I honestly think his mouth is going to hold him off for a little. Also, hall voters have proven they don't like "accumulators" (see - Bert Blyleven).

Kenny Rogers- No.

Pettite- No

Pudge- 1st ballot.

Pedro Martinez- Probably first ballot

Thome- 500 HRs and no steroid rumors? Yes.

Mark McGwire- Not on the regular ballot. Possibly on the vets committee.

Posada- No.

John Smoltz- Yes. If he hadn't voluntarily become a closer (and got 154 saves in those 4 years), he'd be at 250 wins already.

Mussina- maybe. The 20 win season helps, but, similar to Schilling, he was never the best pitcher in the league, and rarely enough the best on his own team.

Derek Jeter- 1st ballot. He'll potentially have 3500+ hits when he's done, and could end up #3 or #4 all time.

Mariano Rivera- Probably 1st ballot.

Manny Ramirez- 1st ballot. Also, the HOF chooses the hats since the whole Wade Boggs thing.

Larry Walker - Maybe. WIll be interesting to see the Colorado effect.

Jeff Kent- Probably, almost definitely. It will take a few years.

Carlos Delgado- Probably, as another 500+ HR guy without steroid allegations.

Craig Biggio- Yes. 3000 hits. Not 1st ballot, but not more than 5 years or so.

Frank Thomas - Yes, probably not first ballot, but within a few years. Besides Griffey, was likely the most feared hitter in the mid 90s. Again, 500+ HR, no steroid allegations.

Trevor Hoffman - Yes, but if Mo retires within 4 years of Hoffman, Mo will get in first.

Sammy Sosa - No. At the very least, not before McGwire.

Gary Sheffield - Tough call. Feared hitter, but was one of the first guys with roid allegations after Bonds. Considering how the voters are reacting to McGwire, a bunch of guys will get in before him.

Vladimir Guerrero - Yes. Interesting fact - he's finished top 25 in the MVP Voting EVERY YEAR since 1998! Only once was he out of the top 17.

Two more:
Edgar Martinez
David Ortiz