How a College Football playoff would look in 2010 if I was in charge

[Atlas]

And how exactly do you plan on forcing the AP to not do pre-season rankings? They are a news group not affiliated in any way with the NCAA.

the AP isnt used in the BCS equation, so it doesnt really matter...

 

[Cryolemon]

And that's a problem how? They already have it and it works.

Are the highest ranked indy team considered a conference champ now?

If so then fair enough, but if not you'd need to specify that they were.

 

[JeremyHight]

the AP isnt used in the BCS equation, so it doesnt really matter...

They would still be used as a basis for any other polls. The Harris Poll comes out later, but it still matches any other poll.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

How would 8 teams keep the importance on the regular season? A team doesn't even need to win its division and could get into your 8 team model. How does that make any game important what so ever, even conference games, if you know you can lose 2+ games and still walk into the playoffs?

Oh boy, this myth again.

College football has the most meaningless games, by percentage, BY FAR, of any other sport.

An 8 team playoff would produce far more meaningful games, especially late in the season. Under the current system, there are hardly any games that hold any real meaning.

Just look at the last two weeks, and all of the teams that would have still been in play for conference titles or a top 8 birth. Perfect example by NAHSTE, bringing up Arkansas. The Big East mess would have actually meant something big picture. Boise would still be potentially playing for something. The Big 12 title game would have had meaning. ACC title game, too.

Instead, none of these games counted for shit. The only games that mattered were Oregon and Auburn.

College football....EVERY GAME COUNTS!

(except like 90% of them)

 

[citizenerased]

Are the highest ranked indy team considered a conference champ now?

If so then fair enough, but if not you'd need to specify that they were.

Notre Dame get an automatic birth if they are ranked in the Top 8 under the current system.

 

[JeremyHight]

Oh boy, this myth again.

College football has the most meaningless games, by percentage, BY FAR, of any other sport.

An 8 team playoff would produce far more meaningful games, especially late in the season. Under the current system, there are hardly any games that hold any real meaning.

Just look at the last two weeks, and all of the teams that would have still been in play for conference titles or a top 8 birth. Perfect example by NAHSTE, bringing up Arkansas. The Big East mess would have actually meant something big picture. Boise would still be potentially playing for something. The Big 12 title game would have had meaning. ACC title game, too.

Instead, none of these games counted for shit. The only games that mattered were Oregon and Auburn.

College football....EVERY GAME COUNTS!

(except like 90% of them)

So you're replacing losses being meaningful with losses being meaningless. Now it is no biggie that Arkansas lost when it counted and couldn't even win their division with, hey, lets give them a shot at the title anyways.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So you're replacing losses being meaningful with losses being meaningless. Now it is no biggie that Arkansas lost when it counted and couldn't even win their division with, hey, lets give them a shot at the title anyways.

It's not "no biggie", they would still be playig for thier lives instead of playing for absolutely nothing. With an 8 team playoff you have a anywhere from 12-20 teams playing meaningful football the final few weeks. With the BCS you have something like 4 teams (if you are lucky).

The last few weeks of the college football season are anti climatic and boring, full of lame games that everyone pretends are important, but really arent. The end of the season should be exciting and meaningful, and a 8 team playoff would produce that.

I've said it before, CFB is a sport of diminishing returns. Each passing week is less and less important, "climaxing" with a totally meaningless schedule of games at the end, not to mention the worst postseason imaginable, with 20+ exhibition games and only one game that counts.

Enough of this shit, there isnt a single anti 8 team argument that makes any sense, it's time to blow this shit up and start over. This isn't 1968, bowls need to go. The world has changed, sports constantly evolve.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Instead of talking about the upcoming playoffs, we are talking about sweet matchups like Oklahoma/UConn, TCU/Wisconsin, OSU/Arkansas, and VT/Stanford.

Wait, no we aren't, because those games not only suck and have zero juice, but they are also 100% meaningless. I won't watch one second of that shit.

There is a serious problem when TAMU/LSU in the Cotton Bowl is a better game than most of the BCS.

 

[kmanharris]

Instead of talking about the upcoming playoffs, we are talking about sweet matchups like Oklahoma/UConn, TCU/Wisconsin, OSU/Arkansas, and VT/Stanford.

Wait, no we aren't, because those games not only suck and have zero juice, but they are also 100% meaningless. I won't watch one second of that shit.

There is a serious problem when TAMU/LSU in the Cotton Bowl is a better game than most of the BCS.

Speak for yourself :smug:

 

[Cryolemon]

Notre Dame get an automatic birth if they are ranked in the Top 8 under the current system.

That makes sense, but unless they're actually seen as a conference champ I think you'd still need a special rule in place if you had a "Top x conference champs" playoff.

Also, would Army or Navy be treated the same as ND? I know it's unlikely that they would finish top 8, but it's not impossible.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That makes sense, but unless they're actually seen as a conference champ I think you'd still need a special rule in place if you had a "Top x conference champs" playoff.

Also, would Army or Navy be treated the same as ND? I know it's unlikely that they would finish top 8, but it's not impossible.

No, because neither are part of THE CARTEL, so much like TCU, Boise, or anyone else who challenges THE CARTEL, no matter what they accomplish or how well they do, they are brushed aside and ignored. If you are't part of THE CARTEL, you basically just exist for THE CARTEL to beat up on during September, and any success will just be ignored. THE CARTEL just likes to pretend that every game counts, because it's a cute marketing slogan.

 

[Bear Pand]

Some of the problem with 2 loss teams being in the top 8 is to do with the pre-season polls. Get rid of them and things would change a bit.

They need to go deeper than just getting rid of preseason polls. It's sick that the polls are released on Sunday when most games are played on Saturday. I seriously doubt the voters are watching every top 25 teams' games on Saturday then making an accurate informed decision on who should be ranked where. It's probably just boxscore watching and making assumptions about teams based off of rep. Also lame rules like 'oh this team can't drop because they won" or "this team is in X conference so they have to be ranked here" and blah blah bah.

It's amazing that the polls have such a large impact, but they aren't taken seriously at all. There has to be a better way to handle them.

 

[Senser81]

So you're replacing losses being meaningful with losses being meaningless. Now it is no biggie that Arkansas lost when it counted and couldn't even win their division with, hey, lets give them a shot at the title anyways.

I think too much of college football is determined by hypotheticals. The whole concept of non-conference games has become meaningless, because teams are so intent on avoiding losses that they don't schedule anyone good. The should just do away with non-conference games completely, or at least rename them "exhibition" games.

This hurts the Boises, TCUs, and Utahs, because no one wants to play them and risk getting a loss. We actually had a Boise-TCU BCS bowl game last year...what a joke!

As it stands, losses aren't really meaningful because the whole system is determined by hypotheticals. TCU is undefeated and has no title shot. And how can you argue that losing in a single-elimination playoff would be "meaningless"? The definition of "meaningless" is 7-5 Boston College losing in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl.

In sum...the regular season inherently loses meaning because the championship is determined by subjectivity. A playoff system would give the regular season "meaning", because the teams are actually vying for a championship on the field.

 

[FirstTimer]

In sum...the regular season inherently loses meaning because the championship is determined by subjectivity. A playoff system would give the regular season "meaning", because the teams are actually vying for a championship on the field.

DING.


This x 1 million

 

[ralaw]

What is the history behind bowl games?

 

[Hasselbeck]

I think too much of college football is determined by hypotheticals. The whole concept of non-conference games has become meaningless, because teams are so intent on avoiding losses that they don't schedule anyone good. The should just do away with non-conference games completely, or at least rename them "exhibition" games.

This hurts the Boises, TCUs, and Utahs, because no one wants to play them and risk getting a loss. We actually had a Boise-TCU BCS bowl game last year...what a joke!

As it stands, losses aren't really meaningful because the whole system is determined by hypotheticals. TCU is undefeated and has no title shot. And how can you argue that losing in a single-elimination playoff would be "meaningless"? The definition of "meaningless" is 7-5 Boston College losing in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl.

In sum...the regular season inherently loses meaning because the championship is determined by subjectivity. A playoff system would give the regular season "meaning", because the teams are actually vying for a championship on the field.

BUT ARKANSAS DIDN'T WIN THEIR DIVISION!!!!!!111111oneoneoneone

[/jeremyhight]

 

[NAHSTE]

What is the history behind bowl games?

The Rose Bowl was the first, "Grandaddy of them all" and shortly thereafter, a few others sprouted up... Now there are way too many and the original ones have an inflated sense of worth.

 

[Senser81]

What is the history behind bowl games?

They were "exhibition" games used to drum up money and publicity. The AP's final poll was released BEFORE the bowl games, so the champion always had been determined. IIRC, in the mid-1960's Alabama was one of a handful of undefeated teams...Alabama won the AP poll but then lost their bowl game to Arkansas, so people had a hard time believing Alabama was actually the #1 team in the nation. After that, the AP waited until after the bowl games to release their final poll, so then the bowl games actually counted for something.

 

[mgoblue2290]

In Sports Illustrated this week the head of the BCS wrote a letter about their article concerning the BCS. One of his main points was that athletes won't be able to enjoy their "bowl week" and playoff games would be only be one day business trips. You tell players from TCU, Wisconsin or Stanford that they can either, a) have a nice fun week, get an iPod and then play in a game that counts for nothing in the end or, b) have a shot to be national champions. They're choosing b every single time.

His other was that some bowls would go out of business. I'm sorry, I forgot when bowls became more important then doing what is best for the schools and the school's fans.

The most telling thing in all of his response, is he never brings up how unfair it is to schools like TCU this year and many others in years past. He doesn't justify the way the title game is determined or how undefeated teams can be left out in the cold. His argument revolves solely around the bowls themselves, and not how to accurately crown a champion.

 

[NAHSTE]

An Alabama fan posted this on the LSU board, I think it fairly sums up just how retarded bowl games are:

So my friends, once again we have made it through the most meaningful "regular season" in the free universe. Any one misstep along life's regular season journey did cost you. Of course most of us knew that by week 5.

But atlas, tis "Bowl season," conjuring up magical thoughts of great games played in exotic far away locales. Places like, Dallas, Shreveport, Tampa, Memphis, Atlanta, Orlando, dare I say, Birmingham, have got us all scurrying about online or otherwise hustling for that elusive holiday ticket.

It's hard to imagine how it can get better then this. Get ready for Georgia vs Central Florida, Iowa vs Missouri, (will be looking forward to the Hawksters input leading up to this one). We got Clemson vs South Florida, We got every deserving 6 and 6 team in America and we got the big boys once the calendar flips. Hey Wisconsin you just won the big ten, get ready for TCU in the Granddaddy of them all! And you, Oklahoma, no Fiesta for you, come on down and meet the latest beast from the east, U Conn and you thought you would have to wait for march madness.

Let the gala begin, the madness ensue. "Bowl season" you are College football, "the greatest show on earth."