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I feel bad for Brock

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Liquidrob

Izzy is a bum
I shouldnt, but he was thrown in to early, this is why guys need to be 'built up' and refine there skills

Cain came up the right way and it shows, Brock got by on size and athletism, but now the jig is up, Carwin set it off, Cain finished the job

That is not how a champ of a major org should fight, 2 fights in a row and he gets pummelled and his defense is tucking his head and covering up like he is getting ready for a plane crash

Like I said earlier, even Bob Sapp was awesome until he started getting punched in the face, of course Brock has the wrestling background, but its a very valid comprasion
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
He lost. Everybody loses.

I've never seen such buzz or rampant overeactions over a loss.
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it was a very very bad loss, whats amazing about this sport is a guy like brock who is considered a monster, biggest baddest dude around get cracked in the face and beat down

the hype was to much, like I said time and time again

dreams were shattered, I don't think he comes back, maybe against mir for a confidence boost and easy money, would be funny that 3 of his 7 fights would be against Mur
 
He's coming back vs. The Undertaker in Wrestlemania 27.
He was reportedly making $9M a year in his last year in the WWE.
It's safe to say he'll top that when he returns.
 
dave said:
He's coming back vs. The Undertaker in Wrestlemania 27.
He was reportedly making $9M a year in his last year in the WWE.
It's safe to say he'll top that when he returns.
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this isnt a money thread Dave, stop being so superficial

and you posting on this thread makes me feel even worse for Brock
 
I guess he should have went the Bobby Lashley route, too?

No way. He wanted the top of the heap and he did pretty damn well, beating Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. He'll go back to the gym, improve and come back a better fighter.
 
Liquidrob said:
this isnt a money thread Dave, stop being so superficial

and you posting on this thread makes me feel even worse for Brock
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I'm sure Brock won't be too upset when Vince McMahon backs a Brinks truck up to his hut in Minnesota that doesn't have running water.
 
EmpireWF said:
I guess he should have went the Bobby Lashley route, too?

No way. He wanted the top of the heap and he did pretty damn well, beating Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. He'll go back to the gym, improve and come back a better fighter.
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Has Brock made much improvements?

I think the problem is guys like Brock and even Lashley train like top guys who have trained for a long time

Brock does 'training camps', that is what you do when you have been in the game a long time, fought the scrubs on the way up, train pretty much all the time when you are still learning every day in the gym with the other fighters, this sport is so vast

It takes time to learn how to fight at a high level, thats why Brock fights are these wild/entertaining fights because he is just winging it with stuff he just trains for a couple months at a time
 
I think its very similar to his pro football thing

He is an awesome athlete, a monster, but he just didnt have the technique and experience to make it, football you cant a shot by being a 'draw', you can in fighting

He did well with what he has, favorable match ups helped also, the hype made him better than he seemed

His next fight will be very telling
 
Brock really should consider going back to the WWE.. he clearly doesnt like being hit, and will make even more money doing fake fighting, and can probably negotiate a light house-show schedule aswell. Vince gonna work his magic, even if its just a temporary thing.
 
Bob Kuzzy said:
Brock really should consider going back to the WWE.. he clearly doesnt like being hit, and will make even more money doing fake fighting, and can probably negotiate a light house-show schedule aswell. Vince gonna work his magic, even if its just a temporary thing.
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He stands to make more as a fighter, its far easier on his body to be a fighter, and he hates the road & pro wretling in general.

If Dana let's him, he should take the WM payoff. Guys do that in Japan all the time, its no big deal. Plus the MMA fans will hate that, and will hate him even more.
 
Liquidrob said:
I think its very similar to his pro football thing

He is an awesome athlete, a monster, but he just didnt have the technique and experience to make it, football you cant a shot by being a 'draw', you can in fighting

He did well with what he has, favorable match ups helped also, the hype made him better than he seemed

His next fight will be very telling
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He probably would have made the Vikings had he spent more time there. As it was, they wanted him to go to NFLE to get more experience before they added him to the roster.


But Rob, you're talking like he's a shitty fighter. He still beats a lot of the top 15 heavies.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
He stands to make more as a fighter, its far easier on his body to be a fighter, and he hates the road & pro wretling in general.

If Dana let's him, he should take the WM payoff. Guys do that in Japan all the time, its no big deal. Plus the MMA fans will hate that, and will hate him even more.
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IMO, Lesnar pretty much holds all the cards here.

Of course, it would have been a better situation for him if he had won Saturday night.

If Lesnar can win in UFC before Wrestlemania, it will help him with both organizations.

I have ordered one UFC PPV - Carwin vs. Lesnar - and I still can't understand how people think $59 (HD price) for a one-round match and four or five similar undercards is value for the money.
I liked the PPV I ordered, but it was 20 minutes of action and 3 hours of build up.
 
Steel Mamba said:
The only guys over hyping him were the pro wrestling fans.
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I love how all the MMA guys are dismissing him after the loss because he was a pro wrestler.
You can hate on Lesnar all you want, but the guy gave UFC numbers they never could have gotten without him.
 
dave said:
I love how all the MMA guys are dismissing him after the loss because he was a pro wrestler.
You can hate on Lesnar all you want, but the guy gave UFC numbers they never could have gotten without him.
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thats not even his point

Brock's fighting has little to do with pro wrestling, he was a NCAA champ, just like all the other who suceeded in college before him, brock doesnt represent pro wrestling at all

the pro wrestling fans seemed to use him to validate pro wrestling which is strange in itself
 
Liquidrob said:
the pro wrestling fans seemed to use him to validate pro wrestling which is strange in itself
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I don't really think he validates pro wrestling.
No matter what he does in UFC/MMA, people are not going to validate pro wrestling.
And, in my opinion, the only WWE guy who could pull off what Lesnar did is Lesnar. The rest of the WWE entertainers are just that, entertainers.
 
dave said:
I love how all the MMA guys are dismissing him after the loss because he was a pro wrestler.
You can hate on Lesnar all you want, but the guy gave UFC numbers they never could have gotten without him.
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After the loss? I dismissed him from the very start. I don't have anything against Lesnar, but he lost me when he brought the whole wrestling gimmick with him, unlike guys like Lashley who left the WWE stuff at the door. But, that's who he is tho so I have no place knocking the guy, the bottom line is that MMA is a whole other beast. Being athletically gifted and having a good wrestling background is not enough. Which gets back to another long debate we had here about wrestling pedigrees. Just because you have the better am wrestling accolades does not automatically make you the better wrestler in MMA. Point proven again when Brock failed to out-wrestle the smaller Cain.

So, like Rob said Brock had no business being in the position that the UFC put him in, at least not yet. The only reason why he was given such a great opportunity is due to his name. Just like Kimbo Slice, but unlike him Brock did not enter into the sport humbly so it is what it is.

Yeah he brought numbers, but why should that make any difference to me? That has nothing to do with fighting. I wouldn't say that he brought numbers that the UFC could never get either.
 
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