is Jonathan Martin a dumb ass or did someone do something to him worth talking about?

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe Martin doesn't want to play football anymore? That maybe he never really did to begin with?

Then stop playing.

 

[Rayman]

Then stop playing.

Why, when you can go through the motions and get paid anyway?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Why, when you can go through the motions and get paid anyway?

Then get harassed and bullied because you're soft and people know you're easily taken advantage of...just don't bitch about it after the fact.

It really is a simple concept...you want to play football...play. If not...don't. But, if you want to play, and are soft because you don't want to play, don't get upset when your teammates use you like a mark and treat you like shit.

 

[f16harm]

More and more I read through out the day, more I think Incognito is the scapegoat for Martin who knows he doesn't like football, doesn't have the balls to quit like a man, and knows he has some mental problems going on. Incognito's background and personality set him up great for it. And you have the mainstream media eating this shit up because Incognito has always been the loud one, and Martin the softy. Gotta remember, Martin is highly intelligent and comes from a smart, well off, high society type family. Martin isn't one of your Miami, USC, Alabama, LSU type players. He's a Stanford, Yale, Harvard type player.

However, of these two men, one has reached out to Ricky Williams for advice. Guess which one? I'll give you a hint, not the one who quit and walked away.....

 

[Tailback U]

your judging a culture that has been in place for 50 or more years. just because 1 guy all of a sudden cries about it, that doesnt make everyone else bad people. it also doesnt make it wrong. How many times have people cried about the pussification of the NFL or society. You gonna sit there and tell me a grown man cant handle his business without crying about it in the media? If martin had an issue he should have handled it himself. But now, he created a shitstorm and allowing people who have no knowledge of a locker room to act they have a say as to what goes on.

You're acting like you know more about the culture than anyone else here. Secondly, I really don't give a shit about what the "culture" of the NFL is. If that is the culture then it is wrong.

Thirdly, Incognito created this shit storm, not Martin. Could Martin have handled this better? Sure, but it's not easy to go tattle tale. I'm sure he wishes he handled it a little bit better but clearly he wasn't thinking straight for obvious reasons.

and tailback, why do you keep calling me a pussy? isnt that the same behavior your are saying isnt ok? i never called you a name or insulted you. i wasnt even refering to you or directing comment to you. But you come in and start using derogatory terms and throwing insults at me. seems hypocritical to take a stance against what you call bullying name calling, and then use those same insults to make your point.

I'm calling you a pussy because you're acting like a coward. It's really easy to blame the "big weirdo" who is socially awkward and has no friends and "cried" to the media. A real man would place the blame on the bully at fault. Coward move to use the "we don't understand their culture, it's not fair to judge them" excuse.

I'd love to know how you feel about prison culture. Are you totally ok with it? Guys getting their asses kicked and fucked for no reason at all, just because they're "fresh meat." We as human beings shouldn't hold others to a higher standard?

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

More and more I read through out the day, more I think Incognito is the scapegoat for Martin who knows he doesn't like football, doesn't have the balls to quit like a man, and knows he has some mental problems going on. Incognito's background and personality set him up great for it. And you have the mainstream media eating this shit up because Incognito has always been the loud one, and Martin the softy. Gotta remember, Martin is highly intelligent and comes from a smart, well off, high society type family. Martin isn't one of your Miami, USC, Alabama, LSU type players. He's a Stanford, Yale, Harvard type player.

However, of these two men, one has reached out to Ricky Williams for advice. Guess which one? I'll give you a hint, not the one who quit and walked away.....

I wouldn't go this far...but as I said before...bullying is a two way street most of the time. Martin is seemingly pulling a Bill Laimbeer.

 

[Tailback U]

Then stop playing.

He just did.

More and more I read through out the day, more I think Incognito is the scapegoat for Martin who knows he doesn't like football, doesn't have the balls to quit like a man, and knows he has some mental problems going on. Incognito's background and personality set him up great for it. And you have the mainstream media eating this shit up because Incognito has always been the loud one, and Martin the softy. Gotta remember, Martin is highly intelligent and comes from a smart, well off, high society type family. Martin isn't one of your Miami, USC, Alabama, LSU type players. He's a Stanford, Yale, Harvard type player.

However, of these two men, one has reached out to Ricky Williams for advice. Guess which one? I'll give you a hint, not the one who quit and walked away.....

LOL...So many stupid things in this post.

1. Incognito is being set up? Did you not see the voicemail he left Martin?

2. Martin is highly intelligent and went to Stanford so he is obviously a pussy? Such a stupid thing to say I don't even know where to start. Some of the toughest players in the league have gone to good schools. I guess if you're smart and you went to a good college you're automatically a pussy, though, huh dumb shit?

3. What the fuck does calling Ricky Williams have to do with anything?

Stop trying to defend this piece of shit. It makes you look stupid.

 

[ram29jackson]

now they are bringing up that stupid pc term...hate crime

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-y...s-richie-incognito-151355287--ocid.yahoo.html

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

He just did.

Don't play dumb...I know he did...or at least left...what I'm asking is...why not stop before?

This whole bullying campaign they have going on with the youth of today is very flawed...it puts the onus on the bully to stop bullying...they are just as flawed as the bullied. Martin's hands aren't clean here, is what I am trying to say.

You work in a world where neanderthal, cro-magnon man mentality runs wild...Martin didn't just start playing football, he has for years. Meeting Richie Incognito was not his first rodeo with his ilk. If you're perceived as weak, they will attack you...its not just a bully-bullied thing...one of the reasons the Dolphins suck is because Martin is soft and sucks...as a team, you gotta harden a guy up somehow, his soft nature could end up getting someone really hurt. Incognito took it over the line...but in football, you come together as a team through these pre-historic methods of bonding.

We can all act outraged...but its a two way street.

For such a "smart and intelligent" man, by all accounts, Jonathan Martin is one socially retarded man.

 

[j.hen]

Ricky Williams had some nice points to make on the whole ordeal. Maybe one of the wisest players ever:

"How is bullying something that's even mentioned regarding the NFL?" Williams wondered. "Because that's kind of what we're taught to do -- at least on the field -- is to bully the guy across from us so we can win the football game.

"It's kind of what we're subjected to on a day-to-day basis that most people will never be able to understand. ... What we're required to do physically, mentally and emotionally for the course of a season is astronomical -- it's amazing," Williams added. "And I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm saying it just really speaks to what it takes to be a professional football player. And to me there's no room to play the victim or to be bullied or to even have that discussion when it comes to the NFL. If you're having that discussion, it just means that maybe you don't belong in the NFL."

Williams should know. Nine years ago, he came to his own realization that he didn't belong in the NFL.


"I think I can relate and I can speak on this because I was at a point where I was done with the NFL and I needed to take a break," Williams said. "But unlike Jonathan, I didn't have to find a scapegoat or someone to blame. ... I didn't have to bring anyone else down when I found out that I just couldn't handle what I was going through at the time."

Williams went through many of the same experiences as Martin early in his career, but emphasized that he never took it as a personal attack.

"I just understood that's the nature of the game," Williams explained. "When I came in as a rookie, they called me 'Ricky Weirdo.' And they busted my balls and they gave me a hard time, but I just laughed because it was funny. ... If someone sent me those messages, I would send a text back and call him a redneck and put 'lol.' To me, situations that you got yourself into, you got yourself into. It falls on you to find a way to get yourself out. And I'm not judging the way he got himself out of the situation. I actually think it's quite brilliant.

"There's all these text messages and these voice messages," Williams went on. "It takes some awareness and some planning and some orchestration to actually save those and record those. ... (Martin) is fighting (Incognito), but he's just doing it in his own way. If we're going to talk about the story as a hazing story -- which doesn't fit -- or as a bullying story, it's really a great example of the kid that is 'getting bullied' fighting back in his own way. ... I think they're both victims. I think the truth is never going to come out. One guy has a paid vacation. And one guy has a vacation that's not paid right now."


Asked about the racist language allegedly used by Incognito in text and voice messages, Williams took exception to the notion that societal standards apply to a locker room setting.

"It's not inflammatory if it's your family," Williams said. "When you look at a team, especially two guys that play the same position, and you really understand how much time they spend together, you can't put it in the context that you would put it outside of a family setting. ... If you had a tape recorder in the locker room, you would hear a lot of stuff that wouldn't fly in the media. A football team, the NFL, it's a fraternity. ... It's not fair and it's not right for people on the outside to judge and try to figure out what's going on on the inside, because most of the people on the outside wouldn't last a week on an NFL team."

In Williams' experience, Incognito is not a racist. He also believes coach Joe Philbin's responsibility was to step in only when the actions of the other linemen affected Martin's play.

"The locker room, we keep coaches out for a reason. It's our space," Williams emphasized. "When I look at the issue, it's not about racism, it's not about bullying, it's not about hazing. It's about a lack of leadership in that locker room. ... And this is just one of the ways in which it's manifested."
-From NFL.com

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Martin not only lacked the guts to stand up to Incognito, but he didn't even have the guts to walk into the head coaches office and hand in his jersey. He had his agent do it for him.

Surprised he didn't use his mommy.

I can't believe Incognito & Martin are grown men. If i'm a Dolphins fan, they can both get fucked and never come back.

 

[Houston]

 

[ram29jackson]

Martin not only lacked the guts to stand up to Incognito, but he didn't even have the guts to walk into the head coaches office and hand in his jersey. He had his agent do it for him.

Surprised he didn't use his mommy.

I can't believe Incognito & Martin are grown men. If i'm a Dolphins fan, they can both get fucked and never come back.

Jocks notoriously don't grow up...just the way it is. Its a boys clubhouse

 

[Villain]

This thread is phenomenal.

:beersalute:

Thank you, VSN.

 

[ram29jackson]

This thread is phenomenal.

:beersalute:

Thank you, VSN.

you're welcome

 

[Tailback U]

Don't play dumb...I know he did...or at least left...what I'm asking is...why not stop before?

Because it was obviously never this bad.

This whole bullying campaign they have going on with the youth of today is very flawed...it puts the onus on the bully to stop bullying...they are just as flawed as the bullied. Martin's hands aren't clean here, is what I am trying to say.

You work in a world where neanderthal, cro-magnon man mentality runs wild...Martin didn't just start playing football, he has for years. Meeting Richie Incognito was not his first rodeo with his ilk. If you're perceived as weak, they will attack you...its not just a bully-bullied thing...one of the reasons the Dolphins suck is because Martin is soft and sucks...as a team, you gotta harden a guy up somehow, his soft nature could end up getting someone really hurt. Incognito took it over the line...but in football, you come together as a team through these pre-historic methods of bonding.

We can all act outraged...but its a two way street.

For such a "smart and intelligent" man, by all accounts, Jonathan Martin is one socially retarded man.

You can try to spin it however you want to but it doesn't matter.

You're not understanding that some people literally have a "flight" response instead of a "fight" response.

Martin tried to put up with it and eventually he couldn't anymore so he snapped after a stupid little prank and essentially quit the team because he didn't know what to do besides give up.

 

[Tailback U]

I'm hearing that 2 of the dolphins coaches told incognito to "toughen Martin up" after Martin missed a voluntary practice.

Heard it on the radio but the authors name is Omar and writes for the Miami herald. On my phone now so can't find it.

I think this story is far from over.

 

[Argath]

Because it was obviously never this bad.



You can try to spin it however you want to but it doesn't matter.

You're not understanding that some people literally have a "flight" response instead of a "fight" response.

Martin tried to put up with it and eventually he couldn't anymore so he snapped after a stupid little prank and essentially quit the team because he didn't know what to do besides give up.

Let's not forget he pulled the exact same prank on a fellow teammate the week before.

Martin is far from innocent in this whole thing and if were gonna be putting the blame on people, he deserves his fair share.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Because it was obviously never this bad.



You can try to spin it however you want to but it doesn't matter.

You're not understanding that some people literally have a "flight" response instead of a "fight" response.

Martin tried to put up with it and eventually he couldn't anymore so he snapped after a stupid little prank and essentially quit the team because he didn't know what to do besides give up.

Except Martin took part in the bullying just the week before he left the team.

 

[NAHSTE]

More and more I read through out the day

I wonder if you read this:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...h-school-coach-not-surprised-he-was-targeted/
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...ach-bullies-usually-go-after-people-like-him/

Since this passage...

“Before he wasn’t around Nebraska, LSU kind of guys,”Eumont said. “He’s always been around Stanford, Duke, Rice kind of players. . . .

“In locker rooms full of Nebraska, LSU, Southern Cal players, Miami players, they’ll look at this as a weakness. If he makes it through all this, and if he was encouraged to come back, he’d come back with a vengeance.”

... appears to be pretty similar to your post:

Gotta remember, Martin is highly intelligent and comes from a smart, well off, high society type family. Martin isn't one of your Miami, USC, Alabama, LSU type players. He's a Stanford, Yale, Harvard type player.

Seems like a pretty idiotic conclusion to draw, and one that relies on quite a few generalizations. But glad it's not your own take, just one you lifted from elsewhere on the net. There's hope for you yet.