Is this a retarded statement?

[CaribbeanJoseph]

No, I understand what he's trying to say.

 

[dave]

Atlanta's rebuild wasn't as massive as Tampa Bay's.
And the Falcons had the #3 pick in a draft year where a franchise QB was available.
That said, I thought they should have taken Glenn Dorsey in that draft (at the time), so what the hell do I know.

And if Steeljake isn't officially voted retarded because of his opinion here, I'm sure there are 1,000s of other references that would win the referendum.

 

[IamMedellin]

option 4

no1 really gives a fuk either way

 

[steeljake]

you forgot a 4th option nahste:

- nahste got shown out to be an idiot by steeljake and got his little feelings hurt.

I kept you going for almost 20 mins on this shit after you had made the idioic statement that the falcons had to do more rebuilding than the bucs. you got so mad you made a thread about it and posted some worthless article in my vistor messages. I am sorry you are a stupid faggot and that you made a bad choice for a name change, but trying to out homer mr. bill isnt going to change that.

 

[NAHSTE]

you forgot a 4th option nahste:

- nahste got shown out to be an idiot by steeljake and got his little feelings hurt.

I kept you going for almost 20 mins on this shit after you had made the idioic statement that the falcons had to do more rebuilding than the bucs. you got so mad you made a thread about it and posted some worthless article in my vistor messages. I am sorry you are a stupid faggot and that you made a bad choice for a name change, but trying to out homer mr. bill isnt going to change that.

I never said that. I stopped reading from there.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I voted option 2, mainly because BigBucs is retarded.

That said - the Falcons hit rock bottom in a hurry.. the rebuilding process may not appear to be as "intense" as a Tampa Bay or another franchise.. but that's mainly because they struck gold with Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, and other great moves by Dimitroff.

 

[j.hen]

I voted option 2, mainly because BigBucs is retarded.

That said - the Falcons hit rock bottom in a hurry.. the rebuilding process may not appear to be as "intense" as a Tampa Bay or another franchise.. but that's mainly because they struck gold with Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, and other great moves by Dimitroff.

In the three years Dimitroff has had the team he's been responsible for bringing in just about every starter on the team. Dude is a genius.

 

[Aso]

I think Steeljake's the one who got his little feelings hurt. Groaning every post in sight.

 

[Senser81]

So they already have Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, and Roddy White...and you want to give credit to Mike Smith for "rebuilding" the team?! Is that like giving Jerry Krause credit for inheriting Michael Jordan? At least Krause won titles...Mike Smith has done a nice job at Atlanta, but its not like he had to clean house.

 

[bucky]

Yes it's retarded, but what do you expect from SJ and VSN?

Come on, most of the time, retarded is done on purpose here. It's just the norm, no biggie.

 

[shag773]

Not even sure I completely understand what the argument is here. There was a rebuilding process that started after 2007. the season they lost their franchise quarterback and their head coach in week 14.

While I'm not sure what hand Mike Smith had in the personnel decisions that brought Ryan and Turner in, he obviously made significant contributions to a process that started after a 4 win season with a team he has coached to possibly the best record in the NFL.

I'll reserve my final judgement after I see what Atlanta does in the playoffs.

BTW, steeljake is not retarded. Just very angry.

 

[bucky]

BTW, steeljake is not retarded. Just very angry.

He's both. He's retarded for always being so angry.

 

[Primetime]

North, you're fucking stupid.

 

[NAHSTE]

So they already have Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, and Roddy White...and you want to give credit to Mike Smith for "rebuilding" the team?! Is that like giving Jerry Krause credit for inheriting Michael Jordan? At least Krause won titles...Mike Smith has done a nice job at Atlanta, but its not like he had to clean house.

I do not understand your point. I am referring to the offseason between 2007 (Vick, Petrino) and the season of 2008, which was Ryan's, Smith's, Turner's and Dimitroff's first year with the organization. He did not "already have" any of these guys. The only player who was already there was Roddy White, and he was considered to be a "jury is still out" kind of guy. And they most certainly did clean house. They cut 7 guys, including Vick, Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler, traded DeAngelo Hall, and started 2008 with first time starters at LT, LG, MLB, QB, RB, TE, and 2 of the 4 secondary positions.

I don't care how much credit you want to give to Smith, really. It should mainly go to Dimitroff, but my only point is that the Falcons organization was in bad shape in 2007, so bad that Bill Parcells initially agreed to take on the project but then decided not to. However, with a lot of great moves by Thomas Dimitroff, they rebuilt the team quickly. Doesn't diminish the amount of rebuilding that was required, IMO.

So no, Mike Smith didn't rebuild anything, Thomas Dimitroff did. But it was too late to bring that up as Steeljake had already mangled the argument into a semantics game based on an offhand joke made by Leftwich, so I had to roll with it. Jake's assessment was that the Falcons simply plugged Turner and Ryan into an already good team and voila, instant success. But that's ignoring guys like Curtis Lofton, Sam Baker and Justin Blaylock who all made their debuts that year as well.

 

[steeljake]

ok, senser is in, all we need is nuke to get on the matt ryan is a joke kick and the trol of nahste will be complete... yet he will still defend the falcons and that oh so metoric rise from the ashed they pulled off...

 

[NAHSTE]

ok, senser is in, all we need is nuke to get on the matt ryan is a joke kick and the trol of nahste will be complete... yet he will still defend the falcons and that oh so metoric rise from the ashed they pulled off...

Nuke loves Matt Ryan. And you really shouldn't attempt to use big words or fancy astronomical metaphors if you can't figure out proper spelling or verb tense agreement.

But yeah, Atlanta is known for rising from the ashed.

 

 

[Leftwich]

I should have never made the joke. I am ashamed of myself.

 

[Senser81]

I do not understand your point. I am referring to the offseason between 2007 (Vick, Petrino) and the season of 2008, which was Ryan's, Smith's, Turner's and Dimitroff's first year with the organization. He did not "already have" any of these guys. The only player who was already there was Roddy White, and he was considered to be a "jury is still out" kind of guy. And they most certainly did clean house. They cut 7 guys, including Vick, Warrick Dunn and Alge Crumpler, traded DeAngelo Hall, and started 2008 with first time starters at LT, LG, MLB, QB, RB, TE, and 2 of the 4 secondary positions.

I don't care how much credit you want to give to Smith, really. It should mainly go to Dimitroff, but my only point is that the Falcons organization was in bad shape in 2007, so bad that Bill Parcells initially agreed to take on the project but then decided not to. However, with a lot of great moves by Thomas Dimitroff, they rebuilt the team quickly. Doesn't diminish the amount of rebuilding that was required, IMO.

So no, Mike Smith didn't rebuild anything, Thomas Dimitroff did. But it was too late to bring that up as Steeljake had already mangled the argument into a semantics game based on an offhand joke made by Leftwich, so I had to roll with it. Jake's assessment was that the Falcons simply plugged Turner and Ryan into an already good team and voila, instant success. But that's ignoring guys like Curtis Lofton, Sam Baker and Justin Blaylock who all made their debuts that year as well.

I don't disagree with your assessment. I don't think Smith really had to "rebuild" anything...many of the key pieces were already in place. Would you say that Mike McCarthy had to rebuild the Packers?

 

[NAHSTE]

I don't disagree with your assessment. I don't think Smith really had to "rebuild" anything...many of the key pieces were already in place. Would you say that Mike McCarthy had to rebuild the Packers?

It's all relative, of course, and without much knowledge of their roster situation before he got there, I can't say. I don't think Smith had to rebuild anything either, that isn't his job, but Thomas Dimitroff did. But losing a franchise QB to federal prison and having the coach bail 14 weeks through a 4-12 season is a pretty significant blow for any franchise, and to say that franchise was not rebuilding would be false, IMO. (Plus all of the aging guys like Grady Jackson, Warrick Dunn and Keith Brooking who had to be purged.)

The situation was deemed hopeless in 2008, which is why I took issue with the notion that all that was needed was a rookie QB and an unproven, former backup RB. (There was another divergent track of this argument that featured BigBucs and Steeljake pretending that Michael Turner "split time" with LaDainian Tomlinson and thus was not a backup at San Diego, but I'll just leave that one alone for obvious reasons.)



It's all lost now in a sea of semantics, but my essential argument was that the 2008 Falcons were predicted by all to finish dead last in the division, and likely the NFL, and despite that, they have managed to rattle off three straight winning seasons. Smith deserves credit for being a good motivator and leader, but I would not give him credit for rebuilding, no. In the interest of this debate though, Smith was serving as a representation of the entire Falcons management team because I was dealing with a pair of simpletons as my adversaries. But I guess that's why they say you should never argue with fools.

 

[godspeed]

TD is the main person for putting together the core if this team.

He hired Mike Smith, drafted Matt Ryan, signed Michael Turner all the people you mentioned.

People forget he was named Executive of the year is first year on the job in 08.

Don't know why Mike Smith is mentioned in the original arguement. I mean I can see why, but this team has everything to do with TD.

Sidenote on some of your facts: Justin Blalock was drafted by Rich McKay in 2007.