Jay Gruden to be named as Redskins head coach

[ThomasTomasz]

Definitely agree with Thomas on the Bevell or Roman point. I think they both would've been great hires. Jay Gruden... definitely not sold on the hire especially with Haslett still there.

Sidenote: I think Hue Jackson should get head coaching opportunities again. Just keep the personnel decisions off his plate. At the very least an OC position. And what about Tom Cable? Guess nobody wants to fuck with Raiders retreads.

Hue Jackson was promoted to Gruden's spot in Cincinnati. That's a big chance for him to prove himself. He also went 8-8 with that team in Oakland in 2011, and if I recall, they weren't expected to do that well. I'd love for him to get another opportunity as a head coach, and hopefully this helps him.

Same could be in store for Cable if Bevell leaves to take a head coaching job. Though with the Seahawks constantly in the playoffs, that hurts his chances of getting a job.

 

[Aso]

Hue Jackson was promoted to Gruden's spot in Cincinnati. That's a big chance for him to prove himself. He also went 8-8 with that team in Oakland in 2011, and if I recall, they weren't expected to do that well. I'd love for him to get another opportunity as a head coach, and hopefully this helps him.

Same could be in store for Cable if Bevell leaves to take a head coaching job. Though with the Seahawks constantly in the playoffs, that hurts his chances of getting a job.

One thing that blew me away with Hue is he utilized the talent the Raiders had absolutely perfectly. Ever since the 2010/2011 seasons I feel he can be one of the best OC's/playcallers in the league.

 

[Slateman]

worked for Steve young and R Cunningham and F Tarkenton

Steve Young was a pocket passer who could run.

Cunningham never won a damn thing and was, frankly, overrated.

Tarkenton played in the 70s, so the comparison is pointless.

Gruden picked Andy Dalton over Kapernick. He likes guys who can run a system that relies on pre-snap reads and quick three step drops.

who else is out there really? there is cowher, john gruden and tony dungy...all of which wont be coming back...that leaves everyone else. nobody else is going to make you say hee haw

Redskins could have waited until the playoffs were over. Darrell Bevell would have been a great fit, as he has worked with a running QB before. Same for Greg Roman.

Also, the Redskins could have signed a defensive coach, simply to put the defense back together.

Finally, could have gone with Ken Whisenhunt. I would prefer all of these options to Gruden.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Steve Young was a pocket passer who could run.

Cunningham never won a damn thing and was, frankly, overrated.

Tarkenton played in the 70s, so the comparison is pointless.

Gruden picked Andy Dalton over Kapernick. He likes guys who can run a system that relies on pre-snap reads and quick three step drops.



Redskins could have waited until the playoffs were over. Darrell Bevell would have been a great fit, as he has worked with a running QB before. Same for Greg Roman.

Also, the Redskins could have signed a defensive coach, simply to put the defense back together.

Finally, could have gone with Ken Whisenhunt. I would prefer all of these options to Gruden.

Simply put, he's the big name hire, just not with the established name like Shanahan, Schottenheimer or Gibbs.

Bevell and Roman were just too low-key for this team. Even though either would have likely brought the competitive spirit that their current head coaches do, and I would love to see that in Washington for once. The only thing I disagree with is Whisenhunt. I wanted to stay away from a former NFL coach, and that's the only support I have for the Gruden hire.

Also, considering how fickle the DC media is, I am shocked that they haven't picked up the Mike Brown story and run with it. That's a PR disaster for this club waiting to happen.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

The Redskins never called Greg Roman or Vic Fangio to cancel their interviews. The 49ers are pissed, and rightfully so, because both of their coordinators spent time this week reviewing for the Redskins job, and also doing their own prep work for the game today. I can guarantee the next time Washington has a head coaching vacancy, teams in the playoffs will take note and not even allow permission.

Once again, the Redskins can't even get a head coaching search right.

Tony Wyllie once again on damage control. That is one job I would never want.

 

[Slateman]

Simply put, he's the big name hire, just not with the established name like Shanahan, Schottenheimer or Gibbs.

Bevell and Roman were just too low-key for this team. Even though either would have likely brought the competitive spirit that their current head coaches do, and I would love to see that in Washington for once. The only thing I disagree with is Whisenhunt. I wanted to stay away from a former NFL coach, and that's the only support I have for the Gruden hire.

Also, considering how fickle the DC media is, I am shocked that they haven't picked up the Mike Brown story and run with it. That's a PR disaster for this club waiting to happen.

It just seems like Allen knew who he wanted to hire as soon as RGIII was benched. He went through the motions of interviewing others, but it was obvious he wanted that old Tampa Bay connection.

Now the Redskins have confirmed Haslett as the DC and Tim McVey as the OC. This bothers me simply because I really wanted to get an OC who had worked with a mobile quarterback before. A guy who can help RGIII become more of a passer.

Gruden just seems like Kubiak to me. Design a system and draft good skill players to fit in that system. Then have a QB who will follow the system. So, basically, the opposite of what we want to develop RGIII.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

It just seems like Allen knew who he wanted to hire as soon as RGIII was benched. He went through the motions of interviewing others, but it was obvious he wanted that old Tampa Bay connection.

Now the Redskins have confirmed Haslett as the DC and Tim McVey as the OC. This bothers me simply because I really wanted to get an OC who had worked with a mobile quarterback before. A guy who can help RGIII become more of a passer.

Gruden just seems like Kubiak to me. Design a system and draft good skill players to fit in that system. Then have a QB who will follow the system. So, basically, the opposite of what we want to develop RGIII.

That's an old Al Davis tactic, and many pointed it out. Davis had an idea who he wanted, but would interview candidates from divisional rivals to get an idea of what they did, and get a free scouting report.

I agree with you on the OC. Chris Cooley and others have a lot of support on McVay, but I am skeptical. Gruden is also going to call plays, and I think that is going to be more of a disaster than McVay being the OC.

I actually like Haslett returning. If you throw out this year, his defenses were slowly improving in each of his three seasons. With the rumors that Shanahan would take over play calling in key spots, you have no way of knowing who made calls when. The defense, while ranking bad this season, actually didn't play that terribly. They just got hung out to dry because there were halves when the offense did absolutely nothing.

Your last point is exactly why I don't understand the hire. I just can't get excited about it.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

The Redskins made a very sizeable commitment to new coach Jay Gruden, despite still paying former Mike Shanahan's staff roughly $10 million for 2014, sources said. Gruden, who was highly sought after following the Bengals' playoff defeat, will earn over $20 million, according to sources, in a deal that is fully guaranteed.

Often, coaching deals are announced as five-year deals, but in reality the teams have options on the final year, or years, especially in the case of unproven head coaches. Gruden's deal is for five guaranteed years, giving him ample protection, should, say the regime of new general manager Bruce Allen not go well. That kind of a mandate makes it clear Gruden is carrying considerable sway within the organization as well, as he takes over an NFL team for the first time.

The Redskins job has become a cancer for coaches -- no one has come close to winning semi-consistently since Dan Snyder took over as owner -- and thus it was not surprising in the end that the team ended up paying big bucks even for a first-time coach, with Gruden set to earn in excess of $4 million a season.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...-redskins-includes-rare-five-guaranteed-years

Unbelievable :jonesy:

Gruden better deliver, or else a lot of fans are going to be pissed. Definitely a pivotal five years for the Redskins under Snyder.

 

[Slateman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ch-quarterbacks-while-jay-gruden-calls-plays/

The Redskins promoted Sean McVay from tight ends coach to offensive coordinator last week, a move that represented a big promotion for the 27-year old assistant.

As it turns out, he won’t be taking on all the responsibilities typically associated with the coordinator job. During an interview with John Keim of ESPN.com, McVay described head coach Jay Gruden as the offensive coordinator who would call plays while McVay will fill his time with other responsibilities.

“It’ll be one of those deals where I help Jay wherever I need to fill in. I’ll coach quarterbacks this year too,” McVay said. “Jay will be the offensive coordinator and call the plays. But my job is to help as much as I can to implement the game plan. How involved I’ll be as far as install, we haven’t decided that yet. I want to give a bunch of ideas as if I’m putting the game plan together.”

I'm growing more skeptical of Gruden. McVay has never coached a QB. He's never played QB. Yet he's going to be the one to teach or franchise QB who doesn't know the playbook, doesn't know how to make pre-snap reads, nor does he know how to work through his progressions.

 

[Slateman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ch-quarterbacks-while-jay-gruden-calls-plays/

The Redskins promoted Sean McVay from tight ends coach to offensive coordinator last week, a move that represented a big promotion for the 27-year old assistant.

As it turns out, he won’t be taking on all the responsibilities typically associated with the coordinator job. During an interview with John Keim of ESPN.com, McVay described head coach Jay Gruden as the offensive coordinator who would call plays while McVay will fill his time with other responsibilities.

“It’ll be one of those deals where I help Jay wherever I need to fill in. I’ll coach quarterbacks this year too,” McVay said. “Jay will be the offensive coordinator and call the plays. But my job is to help as much as I can to implement the game plan. How involved I’ll be as far as install, we haven’t decided that yet. I want to give a bunch of ideas as if I’m putting the game plan together.”

I'm growing more skeptical of Gruden. McVay has never coached a QB. He's never played QB. Yet he's going to be the one to teach or franchise QB who doesn't know the playbook, doesn't know how to make pre-snap reads, nor does he know how to work through his progressions.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

The fact that we didn't hire a QB coach is extremely puzzling to me. Unless they are going to have him working with someone this off-season in an unofficial capacity, who would report to Gruden and McVay, this seems to be a proposition bordering on absurd.

As some know, I am not a fan of a coach having additional responsibilities, including personnel power and also calling plays. Gruden is setting himself up for failure, and I don't like that given that we've guaranteed his entire contract.

McVay himself, I have no doubt he can put together a game plan and have everyone prepared and ready to execute. But that's almost pointless if he's not going to be the one calling plays and making sure they are executing. He's essentially a quality control coach at that point.