Jeff Fisher needs to be fired, right now.

[Woy]

Barely over .500 for his career.
Outcoached in all four losses this season.
Doesn't know how to use a Hall of Fame receiver.
And now the latest actions with Vince Young.

Before I start, let me say that I'm obviously a VY supporter and think he can be a solid quarterback in this league. He's shown flashes throughout his career that he can be. But Vince doesn't have the support from his head coach and hasn't had it throughout his career.

The suicide situation a few years ago was inexcusable, but this latest incident, although it went a little too far, is fine in my eyes...because of the hatred Fisher has for Young.

After Young injured his thumb, he went to get it looked at and then came back to the sidelines to try and go back in there. However, despite Young wanting to go back in there, Fisher kept him out and left a sixth-round quarterback named Rusty out on the field. Yes...Rusty.

Young reportedly threw his shoulderpads into the stands and then quickly got dressed and left. I can't excuse his action because someone could have gotten hurt and you have to be a little more mature about this, but I can completely understand his frustration. I mean, he's saved Fisher's job twice!

I bet that a good bit of you will side with Fisher on this one, but this is more on him than it is Young. If the front office draft a QB in the first, I'll be alright, because Young has been very injury prone and despite being a fan of him, I don't know if he can be the franchise guy because of him being injury prone. But Fisher better be gone after this year...he's had far too many chances and it's time for a damn change.

 

[Justo]

Fisher said that Young is no longer starter as well

 

[Woy]

Let's not forget the whole McNair incident that had him locked out of team facilities the year he was traded and the verbal confrontation with Billy Volek that led to 2006's 0-3 start, which made Vince come in earlier than they wanted.

Fisher does this shit all the time, but no one notices because "oh my God, he's gotta be a great coach because he's been in the league for 16 years!"

 

[Rayman]

:damn:

 

[ram29jackson]

Woy, you really dont know shit about anything. Youre Just another fan.

another pointless internet topic woohoo!

 

[Woy]

*insert all the Vince Young, suicide jokes here*

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I really don't get why Fisher has such a great reputation. In 16 years, he's really only had 2 or 3 teams that made serious noise, and that includes the SB team that needed a gimmick play to escape the WC round.

Woy makes some good points in the OP. He's essentially a .500 HC. He's severly overated.

 

[FirstTimer]

I really don't get why Fisher has such a great reputation. In 16 years, he's really only had 2 or 3 teams that made serious noise, and that includes the SB team that needed a gimmick play to escape the WC round.

Woy makes some good points in the OP. He's essentially a .500 HC. He's severly overated.

You forgot to mention he needed that gimmick play to beat a team QB'd by Rob Johnson....

 

[Irish]

GROAN.

***Long Titans History Post***

Being a Titans fan for 13 years now, and Fisher coaching all of them, Fisher is not the problem.

Vince Young is, and the entire offensive direction.

The Titans saw their best success when Steve McNair and Eddie George dominated the ground, and maybe a couple of short passes to Frank Wycheck here and there. Strong defense, alright special teams, and a game managing QB with a strong pounding run attack is how they succeed.

Ever since 2003 when they were a top 6 AFC team at the time and started to unleash McNair and have him throw for 4000 yards a game, with George getting injured all the time is when the program started downhill. AKA when they hired Mike Heimerdinger. Another story for later.

Then they went thru a rebuild thing for a couple of years and got VY and he got a sub par team to 8-8 and everyone thought we have something now. But even then Travis Henry was dominating the ground and had 1200 yards. VY made some special plays but the fundamentals of the offense was run first, run second, pass if necessary.

But people saw the success and noticed VY as a "winner". They go 10-6 despite Vince throwing 9 TDs and 17 INTs. Again a solid rushing game and some special plays made them 10-6 in 2007. This was his second season and all he does is win, lets get him confidence because he can lead this team, right?

Wrong.

Then in 2008 VY is out first game and Collins takes over. CJ is now on the team and they go 13-3 on a solid rushing game from CJ and White and Collins just managing the game. We went back to what Fisher succeeds under. A tough pounding run only football team and a QB who can make a smart and special play when needed.

But then in 2009 they go 0-6, Collins gets benched, and VY leads the team to an 8-8 record. CJ runs for 2000 yards. And people think we have something big on offense. But who did they beat? Teams like Jags, 49ers, Bills, Rams, Dolphins, Seahawks, blah. Again VY is viewed like a winner but really he just played over his head against weak competition.

So they come out this year, CJ struggles early and they try to give VY the ropes. They have WRs and even get Moss, which I knew would be bad for the team. They try to beat teams through the air which they can not do, and are not designed to do. They aren't built or coached like that kind of team. They have a HUGE identity crisis when VY is the QB. Instead of doing what they do best, they try to be something else. Its history repeating itself. They have good success and try to really capitalize on it and flop. Then we rebuild in a couple years.

VY should not be the QB of this team. The sooner the Titans realize that and get a game manager to complete some odd 3rd and 6s, they won't succeed.

Fisher's only problem is the fans like you and the management are trying to make the team something it is not. To my knowledge Rusty Smith is more capable of running this offense better than VY as long as Fisher keeps him on a leash. Get CJ and Ringer 35+ carries a game. Let Moss cry on the sideline because you throw 12 times a game and call it a day.

Fisher is a great coach at what he does. Once the team starts to be something it isn't, they have problems.

 

[Irish]

Nobody is gonna read that.

 

[packersfan4eva]

Nobody is gonna read that.

You figured that out after you typed it up and posted it.

:thumbsup:

 

[ram29jackson]

Nobody is gonna read that.

I did

 

[Rayman]

Nobody is gonna read that.

I read it. Interesting take

 

[Aso]

Vince Young is a joke.

 

[KillaK]

I understand that Young was angry but throwing his pads into the stands is not a way for a starting QB to act. This kid has had to many incidents in the past to be doing stuff like this.

 

[PP]

Should trade Young to a team who actually wants him to play.

 

[BigBucs]

"We're Listening"

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:​

 

[Irish]

Also I will say say this.

Why fire Fisher anyway? He makes so many terrible players serviceable in this league. They never sign big name free agents. They always take a bunch of young guys or forgotten players and make them play unreal. I mean the obvious thing is look at the defensive period. They are always filled with a bunch of scrubs and 4th-7th round picks, but remain a top defense almost year in and out.

So they fire Fisher, hire some young OC or DC from some team and hope it works out? I don't see the coaching market being that strong anyway. So either give up and fire Fisher and get a young coach to rebuild the program his way. That will probably waste CJs best years and by then lose most of the great coaching staff we have.

Titans will never spend big money for anybody so they arent gonna get a splash with guys like Cowher/Dungy. They would need a young guy to rebuild with which I don't think is a smart move with this team.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Why did they claim Moss if they weren't going to bother using him?

 

[Woy]

Just some responses to Irish's posts.

First off, he's right about the offensive philosophy, for the most part. He doesn't mention however that Fisher ran Eddie George into the ground throughout his career, which is why he was always injured late in his career.

That being said, I think you should dismiss the '06 and '07 seasons in regards to the offensive philosophy because Norm Chow was the offensive coordinator and his scheme was just horrendous. Vince wasn't good during that time, but Chow needs to take most of the blame for that.

However, I'm sure our old punishing running game approach would work well with a 5'10", 190 pound scatback. Let's run him against 8-9 man fronts 25+ times a game and see how many games we win. He really wore down at the end of last season after we clearly made it our goal to get him 2K. Could you imagine a whole season of that? Yeah, Ringer might give him more blows to keep him rested, but with the stacked box, running the ball constantly against it only forces you into three-and-outs and that kills time of possession.

A record barely over .500 speaks for itself however. Yes, we've had some good-great regular seasons over that span, but where have we went in the playoffs? Loss to the Ravens in 2000 at home in the opener after having the league's best record (13-3), loss to the Raiders in the 2002 AFC Championship game after needing a Joe Nedney acting job to get by Pittsburgh in the previous round, loss to the Patriots in 2003 at home, loss to the Chargers in 2007 after leading at halftime (second loss after leading at half against them that season), loss to a Ravens team in 2008 with a rookie starting quarterback with once again the league's best record (13-3). You see a pattern? Yeah, that great "coaching" by Fisher gets us some damn nice regular season records, but nothing to show for it. Are you satisfied with a double-digit win season and then an early exit in the playoffs? I'm sure as hell not.

You also make the statement that Fisher turns nobodies into good players. How about commenting on his loyalty towards shit players? Donnie Nickey, Lamont Thompson, Nick Harper, Reynaldo Hill...I could go on and on. Fisher continued to give them chances after every fuck up. Nickey could have been cut in pre-season to retain LaGarrette Blount, but nah, let's keep our special teams captain who's biggest highlight this year is punching a ref in the SD game and getting ejected.

If you want a big season here and there with some 8-8's sprinkled in between, then you obviously want Fisher to stay. A new coach and possibly a new quarterback (even though I still think Vince can be the guy) could give this team the spark they need to get to the next level. Look at Baltimore (albeit, they always had that great defense) and Atlanta when they made the switch after awful seasons. Sure, it could end up a bust, but with some of the young studs we have (Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Jason Jones, Michael Griffin), I see a new coach being more than likely an upgrade instead of the same 'ol shit with Fisher every year.