Jesse Jackson plays racism card on Dan Gilbert

[Anthony]

No, they were just whipped(sometimes tortured), had their families torn apart, and watched as women and girls were raped.

But comparing atrocities is dumb and pointless.

Exactly, comparing them really doesn't benefit either side. I often hear people doing it as a way to belittle the significance of one (usually slavery) which has no merit.

You're both 100% right, i'm not disagreeing, but which side is usually bringing up this nonsense though?. Which side feels it's ok to call a caucasian a "white boy, cracker" etc I'll let you answer that. Move the fuck on, the past is the past - it happened, nothing can be done about it. If America and Americans treat you so unfairly, well guess what? America also gives you the option to relocate to a much better place (wherever that may be). It's that fucking simple.

 

[jeffx]

You can only 'move on' when you fully understand the past, realize that some of the ugly legacy is ingrained in our consciousness, and figure out the best to deal with it. My way has always been education.

 

[ralaw]

You're both 100% right, i'm not disagreeing, but which side is usually bringing up this nonsense though?. Which side feels it's ok to call a caucasian a "white boy, cracker" etc I'll let you answer that. Move the fuck on, the past is the past - it happened, nothing can be done about it. If America and Americans treat you so unfairly, well guess what? America also gives you the option to relocate to a much better place (wherever that may be). It's that fucking simple.

You have to be careful with your use of the term "move on," because it ignores the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow to freedom. The fact remains that government supported oppression has a legacy that many people still deal with today. Having said that though there are groups of blacks who love playing the victim role and tend to promote division, but those people are in the minority.

A "much better place" is relative and contingent on the fact that many blacks were relocated. Not to say America today isn't better, but much of that betterment was made on the backs and through the minds of slaves and descendents of slaves. Had blacks remained in Africa no one knows what Africa could be like today and the same can be said for America.

 

[Anthony]

You can only 'move on' when you fully understand the past, realize that some of the ugly legacy is ingrained in our consciousness, and figure out the best to deal with it. My way has always been education.

Once again, you're right and it's clear to me that you're educated on the subject, but my problem isn't with you - my problem is with those who toss it out there so lighty, the ones who use it as an excuse. America doesn't owe you jack shit, go out there and educate yourself, make something of yourself. Quit complaining and playing the victim.

It's ironic how they're still fascinated by "whips and chains" and no i'm not a racist. I'm someone who see's this bullshit every other day. Hey, the cops aren't pulling you over because you're black, but because they can see your fucking underwear.

Bill Cosby for Prez.


P.S. I wish I could thank your posts because both of you men are bringing up some valid points, but i'm running VSN through a proxy which doesn't allow me to.

 

[bucky]

You have to be careful with your use of the term "move on," because it ignores the legacy of slavery

My opinion is that Racism of today is not holding anybody back. It's not keeping anyone from getting a good education. The problems of today, is more of a social-economic, culture, problem within our cities. It effects all races.

I believe that Racism of the past, many, many years ago, helped create the state the inner cities are in today, and also helped create that a disproportionate percentage of blacks being in the inner city living within this culture.

I think you can move on w/o dwelling on the past by recognizing what we are fighting and by fighting the right fight. Understanding the past, may help young ones make better choices, so I'm not against understanding the past. I agree with Jeff and ralaw that Racism of many years ago has had a major effect on how things are today.

Guys like Jessie Jackson and Sharpton fight the sexy fight, the fight that incites Racial tension, the fight that brings in money. They don't fight the real important fight. The difficult fight. The fight that would really make a difference. They don't fight to change the culture that exists in our inner cities that effect all races in the inner cities. The culture that graduates only 50% of its students. The fight Bill Cosby fights and gets crap over.

Jeff is right that eduction is the key, we just HAVE to find out a way to change the inner city culture (effecting all races) so crime diminishes and kids get educated.

Jeff, ralaw, I'm not black and welcome, and always have, you're opinions. I'm always willing to listen to where I may be off base, or flat out wrong.

 

[jeffx]

The most important lesson I learned from my father was, no matter how much money/education/status a brother has, many people(not just whites), will look at you as less than they are, as "just another ******". But never use that as an excuse not to achieve. To do so would be an insult to your ancestors. Be a good citizen, do the right thing, work/study twice as hard as the white dude next to you, don't take no shit and be proud of your black(African) heritage.

Any person of color who's truly educated, knows their history(how this country was set up), understands human nature and how the game is played, is ready to fight the b.s. that's out there.

 

[Anthony]

The most important lesson I learned from my father was, no matter how much money/education/status a brother has, many people(not just whites), will look at you as less than they are, as "just another ******". But never use that as an excuse not to achieve. To do so would be an insult to your ancestors. Be a good citizen, do the right thing, work/study twice as hard as the white dude next to you, don't take no shit and be proud of your black(African) heritage.

Any person of color who's truly educated, knows their history(how this country was set up), understands human nature and how the game is played, is ready to fight the b.s. that's out there.

Exactly. Why become part of what society believes is the "norm" for a person of color, why feed into that repetitive cycle. Blood was spilled, tears were shed to get us to where we're at today. Correct me if i'm wrong, but did MLK fight/die for the right to call women "bitches and ho's"?, did W.E.B. Du Bois create the NAACP to help you pump drugs into your own communities? and this goes for all.

 

[MRN]

Jesse Jackson is one dumb fucking nagger. He's always bothering...

 

[Senser81]

But comparing atrocities is dumb and pointless.

Which did you like better, MM or TGL?

Anyways, slavery and the holocaust are two different animals. Slavery was an institution that lasted for quite awhile, and its impact was long-term. The holocaust was more horrific, but it was short-term. Why people compare the two (which happens often) is beyond me...

Here is my take:

Slavery: like having to endure a bad season by the Cubs (162 games)

Holocaust: like having to endure a bad season by the Bears (16 games)

 

[Senser81]

Had blacks remained in Africa no one knows what Africa could be like today and the same can be said for America.

They probably would have done better in the 2010 World Cup...

 

[Anthony]

Which did you like better, MM or TGL?

Anyways, slavery and the holocaust are two different animals. Slavery was an institution that lasted for quite awhile, and its impact was long-term. The holocaust was more horrific, but it was short-term. Why people compare the two (which happens often) is beyond me...

Here is my take:

Slavery: like having to endure a bad season by the Cubs (162 games)

Holocaust: like having to endure a bad season by the Bears (16 games)

or Bears: 1985 (25 yrs)

Cubs: 1908 (102 yrs)

 

[Realist]

Jesse Jackson makes me want to be racist.

He makes me want to be racist too.....and I'm black...