JoePa Dies at 85

[FirstTimer]

The bad you do in life in many ways outweighs the good.

Not in this case.

Chris Benoit by all accounts was a great guy great family man, etc. in the end I don't give a shit what he did the first 34 years of his life what he did in two days defined his legacy.

:yawn:

Comparing what Chris Benoit did in his wrestling career to what Joe Pa did during his career at Penn St isn't even on the same level if we are "trying to balance the scales"

America is so fucking obsessed with their football that they seriously are mourning a child rape enabler just because he was a good football coach. It's absolutely fucking pathetic.

Keep feigning outrage. Seriously. It's an interesting stand. All you're doing is going to the exact opposite extreme of the same people you hate right now and find pathetic. It's equally as pathetic IMO.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not going to say I'm glad he's dead, but I'm not sad either. Then again, when Eddie Robinson passed it's not like I was mournful then either.

Random old people dying is a part of life. Even without his enabling the sodomy of children for two decades, I still wouldn't be sad over this.

:jonesy:

 

[FedEx227]

Not in this case?? You're serious?

 

[mgoblue2290]

I'm not going to say I'm glad he's dead, but I'm not sad either. Then again, when Eddie Robinson passed it's not like I was mournful then either.

Random old people dying is a part of life. Even without his enabling the sodomy of children for two decades, I still wouldn't be sad over this.

I feel the same way. However he does not deserve all the attention and tributes he is going to get. He was a bad person and his life really doesn't deserve to be celebrated.

 

[Archer]

I'm sorry that doesn't work for me. The bad you do in life in many ways outweighs the good. Chris Benoit by all accounts was a great guy great family man, etc. in the end I don't give a shit what he did the first 34 years of his life what he did in two days defined his legacy.

America is so fucking obsessed with their football that they seriously are mourning a child rape enabler just because he was a good football coach. It's absolutely fucking pathetic.

People are remembering the good memories that they have. It's a common thing to do when somebody dies around you (good or bad).

And I disagree completely with the first part of your post... people do fucked up horrible things but that doesn't just cancel out all the good things that they did. Everybody has it in them to do horrible things that they later learn to regret. (not saying they deserve to be forgiven for it).

 

[NAHSTE]

This thread is about to turn into some real foolishness so I won't even entertain. All I will say on the matter is JoePa enabled child rape. There is no good you can do that outweighs that. Even one young person's life being ruined because of his inaction would outweigh all the lives he ever changed positively.

Sorry but that's how it is.

"Do no harm."

 

[Archer]

This thread is about to turn into some real foolishness so I won't even entertain. All I will say on the matter is JoePa enabled child rape. There is no good you can do that outweighs that. Even one young person's life being ruined because of his inaction would outweigh all the lives he ever changed positively.

Sorry but that's how it is.

"Do no harm."

Nobody is trying to outweigh it at all. I just think that people close to him have the right to remember every great thing he did for them.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah I'm not gonna go on either. If that's how you want to feel about the situation fine. That's your ideals.

He did a horrible thing. He allowed horrible horrible horrible things to happen. If you still wanna talk about how he was a good football coach then fine. Go ahead.

Football for life. WAR Eagle!

 

[NAHSTE]

Nobody is trying to outweight it at all. I just think that people close to him have the right to remember every great thing he did for them.

I don't like to speak poorly of the dead so I won't bash the guy any further. But yeah, I think giving him "tributes" is a bit over the top.

Then again, Michael Jackson ACTUALLY WAS a pedophile and dying made all that go away... So I'm not shocked that JoePa's being an accomplice to pedophilia is being whitewashed.

 

[SethMode]

Yeah I'm not gonna go on either. If that's how you want to feel about the situation fine. That's your ideals.

Football for life. WAR Eagle!

I want no part of this discussion, but I will say that I know multiple people who had their lives impacted in a very meaningful way by Joe Paterno, and football wasn't involved (for example, he literally bought the family of a guy I graduated from high school with a house because their's collapsed).

Again, not making excuses or even interested in getting into where this topic is likely to go, but I did think that it was important to point out that a lot of people don't care about the football aspect of Paterno.

 

[nwfisch]

There's always regrets everyone has in their lives. We can all be better people. I wish Paterno could have proven to be a great man, where it mattered most.

 

[Archer]

Yeah I'm not gonna go on either. If that's how you want to feel about the situation fine. That's your ideals.

Football for life. WAR Eagle!

I don't even care about how many football games he won.

People remember him as being a great dad and husband. Players remember him as being somebody who guided them to getting better jobs/better people.

They had no knowledge of all the other sick and disturbing stuff (we think?). They can't just go back and forget every positive thing he did for them.

Should ESPN be broadcasting the tribute stuff? different issue imo.

 

[Aso]

He had over a decade to wake up and right his wrong. Maybe I could respect him if he eventually came forward and made sure something was done about this but he didn't. Maybe I could say his good outweighed his bad if he made sure this came to a stop sooner but he let it go by and if Sandusky had never been caught Paterno wouldn't have thought twice. How he was able to sleep at night through all those years are beyond me.

 

[Aso]

People remember him as being a great dad and husband. Players remember him as being somebody who guided them to getting better jobs/passing exams/better people.

And little boys will remember him as the man who did nothing when he knew Sandusky was "fondling" them. Your point?

 

[Goober]

:yawn:

Look, Joe Paterno(best we can tell) made a huge mistake in the handling of the Sandusky incident. But I refuse to celebrate or joke about the death of a man that for decades seemingly did things the right way and made an incredibly positive impact on people and Penn St. Paterno made a mistake. He should have done more with the Sandusky situation but joking about the death of the man or implying that he deserved it goes much too far. Paterno wasn't an evil man, he was a good person who made a critical error in judgement. He was a husband, a father, and a grandfather. Should people feign sorrow and act as though a god died? No. Mourn the death if you're going to but do so while acknowledging the good and bad.

He didn't make a mistake. Every minute that passed by where he failed to act and stop Sandusky was a mistake. For twenty years+ he was enabling a monster and ruining lives. There's no forgiveness for that. No amount of good can change what happened to those boys.

Again Paterno was a terrible human being.

 

[Archer]

And little boys will remember him as the man who did nothing when he knew Sandusky was "fondling" them. Your point?

That people who remember him fondly have a right to speak about those great memories.

 

[FirstTimer]

Not in this case?? You're serious?

Yes.

But keeping acting like a clown about it.

We get it. You are against child rape and would have gone right to the cops. Your judgement of Joe Pa on the issue is noted.

He was a bad person and his life really doesn't deserve to be celebrated.

:jonesy:

Even one young person's life being ruined because of his inaction would outweigh all the lives he ever changed positively.

Disagree.

Football for life. WAR Eagle!

Oh quit. No one in here is being that big of a meathead. I've never excused his actions because he won X amount of football games. Just quit with the strawman bullshit.

You're pissed off because of some idiot people on facebook or twitter. Fine.

I've never excused what Joe Pa did. Best we can tell he made an awful judgement on a serious issue. That doesn't cancel out all the other good he did for thousands of players he had at Penn St, the hundreds of thousands that went to Penn St, the families of the people that were connected at Penn St etc.

The Sandusky thing is/was awful and I'm sure it will become more and more clear as the court proceedings move forward. I refuse to sit here and gloat about the guys death, label him as a horrible person, or excuse his bad actions.

Joe Pa obviously did a ton of good in his life and the recent actions don't whitewash that out or cancel it out IMO. Paterno should have done more, we know. But I'm not going to go and act as though he was complicit with child rape. I'll save my outrage for Sandusky.

I don't like to speak poorly of the dead so I won't bash the guy any further. But yeah, I think giving him "tributes" is a bit over the top.

So far in any "tribute I've seen has mentioned the Sandusky incident and hasn't glossed over it.

:kanye:

 

[FirstTimer]

He didn't make a mistake. Every minute that passed by where he failed to act and stop Sandusky was a mistake. For twenty years+ he was enabling a monster and ruining lives. There's no forgiveness for that. No amount of good can change what happened to those boys.

:jonesy:

Again Paterno was a terrible human being.

Sorry but you're wrong and that's just idiotic.

 

[Goober]

How does the saying go? "A man's true character is revealed in how he faces adversity?" Paterno faced adversity and chose to hide from it. He's a coward, and helped ruin lives.

To not act in that situation, when you have the amount of power he had, is inexcusable. Nothing can make up for that.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

This guy went from maybe the greatest legacy in college football to the scourge of the earth, fired, and has a tarnished legacy and dead within 3 months.

Worst three months ever.