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Kerry Collins Shoulder Injury

Painter made two nice throws to receivers that were wide fucking open. How did he really look good? His timing was light years ahead of Collins, yes, I agree. But thats it. Collins should be starting again next week.

How many redzone chances did Collins get with only field goals?

How many did Painter get and what happened?

Painter actually sustained a drive and Addai got in there, Collins had two redzone opportunities handed to him and couldn't get it done.
 
Its reached a point where you can't justify starting Collins anymore. Its clear he brings nothing to the table that they didn't already have, and the team is 0-3. Start Painter, and Collins should be your #3 at this point.
 
I can see giving Collins one more game, but on a short leash. Painter hasn't been great, but he's shown some improvement & appears better than Collins at this point. I'd like to say Collins' experience would make him a viable option, but at 48/98 for 481yds with 2TDs & a pick over three games, he hasn't shown any so far and actually looked worse today. It's a sad fucking day when this is actually a meaningful convo.

***added bonus*** Irsay announced Manning is not expected to play this year.

www.nfl.com
 
There's no defense for Collins anymore. Collins doesn't look better than Painter, and that's really fucking sad to say.

But, the honest truth is that with Kerry Collins on the field, this offense looks so anemic. There is no sign of life whatsoever. He can't throw the ball downfield and his completions are for the absolute minimum. People make fun of Chad Pennington saying that he is a dink and dunk QB. Well, that's exactly what Collins was last night. 13/29 and only 93 yards? I think his average per pass attempt (along with sacks) was UNDER 3 YARDS PER ATTEMPT. You want him as your quarterback?

Put Curtis Painter in. Yes, he's going to over throw and under throw quite a number of times (he's fucking Curtis Painter, don't expect much), but his arm is at least lively. He's going to take shots and he, by far, gives the Colts a better chance of winning than Collins. He had the only offensive possession that lead to a touchdown for the Colts and without the defense's help.

This should also be noted: The Colts' defense put up 7 points and pretty much set them up with the field goal before the half ended of the interception. So, Kerry Collins pretty much did nothing all game but suck.
 
Signing Collins was a joke and I can't stand Curtis "Fake Blaine Gabbert" Painter.

Just flat out moronic decision and waste of 4 million to bring Collins' old ass in.
 
***added bonus*** Irsay announced Manning is not expected to play this year.

www.nfl.com

Just confirms what everyone already suspected.

I have to say it's a little different going into each game expecting to lose, but in a way it's almost easier. Instead of sitting there sweating and knowing if Manning doesn't make up for the POS supporting cast he's been carrying for the last 5 years I'll hear nothing but bullshit from ESPN and NFL Network, I'm going into games with the expectation of getting drug through the turf and being delightfully surprised when the team decides to show up.

Even though Indianapolis lost last night to Pittsburgh it wasn't actually a bad game to watch as a Colt Fan.

Indy hasn't had a top 10 pick since 1999 (Edgerrin James)

a top 15 pick since Dwight Freeney. assuming we're not in the "suck4luck" sweepstakes it should be nice to see us picking on the other end of the round and getting the chance to grab some more "sure fire" guys, instead of trying to make late round picks work (like we've been doing for the past 10 years)
 
I will say this...the Colts fanbase (at least on this site) has impressed me with their composure through this. Fans tend to get spoiled and bitch about a random down year, but you guys have been realistic and fair about things. Its been the goofball non Colts fans talking nonsense like "sign Garrard!" and "Collins - what a pickup!".
 
I will say this...the Colts fanbase (at least on this site) has impressed me with their composure through this. Fans tend to get spoiled and bitch about a random down year, but you guys have been realistic and fair about things. Its been the goofball non Colts fans talking nonsense like "sign Garrard!" and "Collins - what a pickup!".

I can't even listen to local sportsradio because of the idiots that call in wanting Polian fired, Caldwell fired, Irsay to sell the team, whatever. All of the sudden Lucas Oil stadium was a terrible idea and the Mayor should resign, it is ridiculous. (Don't worry about that little chuck of revenue coming into the city for SB 2012 or anything, or that giant expansion to the convention center that replaced the RCA dome, with the underground tunnel going to Lucas Oil that brings in more conventions, don't worry about that stuff)

If Peyton wasn't hurt you wouldn't hear a peep about any of that.

I think the Colts fans on this board know that the options are slim when you lose the player that the offense is built around...there isn't a whole lot you can do except run with what you have from there. It sucks but I'll deal with it. I just hope he's back next year. If not I think we go into a serious rebuilding mode for a while. Probably would have to change the whole dynamic of the team :dunno:
 
To be fair, at least one of: Bill Polian/Caldwell/Coyer need to be fired/retire.

Polian is good but his arrogance and stubbornness is half the reason Indy is in this mess.

And I'd be pissed at Caldwell/Coyer regardless of Manning's situation.
 
I would agree with Coyer.

I am far from a defensive expert, but I just don't get the constant soft cover 2, are we just too small to run anything else?

The run defense did look great last night I will say.
 
super backup? wtf are you talking about Dan?
Dan Hanzus nfl.com said:
It's come to this for the Indianapolis Colts: They're 0-3 and might have a quarterback controversy brewing between 38-year-old Kerry Collins and super backup Curtis Painter.

Peyton Manning got a bird's eye view of Jim Caldwell's options during Sunday night's 23-20 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and it wasn't pretty.

Collins managed to throw for just 93 yards in three-plus quarters before exiting with concussion-like symptoms. Painter followed, and while he did lead the Colts on a game-tying touchdown drive, he also made a costly overthrow of a wide open Pierre Garcon and fumbled on a sack, resulting in a return for a touchdown.

Collins' condition is unclear, and Caldwell told ESPN.com he will "look at all the other factors involved" before naming a Week 4 starter.

Painter was aware he delivered a mixed-bag performance.

"Did some things well," Painter told The Indianapolis Star, "(but) obviously need to hold onto the ball on the fumble. I need to try to fix those things."

Adding to the Colts' gloomy quarterback situation was Monday's report that club owner Jim Irsay announced during a breakfast meeting with Super Bowl donors that Manning likely would miss the remainder of the season, according to a report by WISH-TV in Indianapolis. Irsay later clarified his remarks on Twitter saying, "I didn't say Peyton out 4season FOR SURE,keeping him on ActiveRoster n taking it month by month/Outside chance of return n December possible."

Regardless of Manning's status, it will be interesting to see if he continues to sit in the coaches' booth on game days. We can't say if looking down on the field is tough on his surgically-repaired neck, but we can guarantee it's hard on his stomach.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d822951d7/article/caldwell-will-look-at-all-the-other-factors-involved-with-qbs?module=HP11_headline_stack
 
I would agree with Coyer.

I am far from a defensive expert, but I just don't get the constant soft cover 2, are we just too small to run anything else?

The run defense did look great last night I will say.

usually Indy runs 3 deep not 2 deep.

they usually do this because the front seven are usually getting butt raped and they need Bethea (used to be bullitt) to come down in the box and be the 8th man.

which is why you usually see our corners giving 7-10 yard cushions and bailing at the snap, as well as why you see Melvin Bullitt and every linebacker we have missing their assignment in the Flat or Corner everytime someone runs a bootleg on us.

With Coyer we were told, IIRC, that we were going to leave the "bend don't break" philosophy and focus on a defense that was going to bring more pressure through blitzing linebackers.

we've seen some linebacker come in on blitzing now, at least more now than ever, but what gets me is the line stunts. They DON'T work, yet we always do them, it seems like we're taking our best defensive players out of the play.

How About Drake Nevis?

how about that Run Game?

it should be interesting to see how they do in Tampa next monday.
 
If the Colts don't get Manning back and aren't bad enough to draft Luck....how many years till they are back to being a contending team? Just wondering.
 
Its reached a point where you can't justify starting Collins anymore. Its clear he brings nothing to the table that they didn't already have, and the team is 0-3. Start Painter, and Collins should be your #3 at this point.

Collins should be released then and they should sign Orlovsky back. I believe they tried him out and he was already with the team in the preseason. If you start Painter, Collins would be a waste of money.

They'll start Painter, see how he does. If he doesn't completely embarrass himself he'll probably remain the starter.
 
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