Marketplace Points were never meant to 'Mislead' anyone...GTFO

[red33]

The entire purpose of the Live points system is to get you to buy more points than you need, and have leftover points to use at a future time. That's why you have to buy 1200 points to get an 800 point game.

Then they nickel and dime you with the rest of the 400 points so you buy themes, avatar clothes, gamer pics, etc.

It really is simple marketing, and if you think about it...it's pretty much genius. How much money has Microsoft made on this system? Tons.

BTW, the grammar in this thread is fucking horrible. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

i agree with this as well. it makes perfect sense.

but the original topic was that MS did not purposely make it 80pts=1 dollar to confuse the public.

I think MS did, not really to confuse the public but more like to give the illusion their games are cheaper then PSN since PSN uses dollar amounts.

sidenote- nintendo also does what MS does.

 

[Maynard]

you guys just seem to be missing one huge oversight. THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESNT PAY BY THE DOLLAR

lets say $5 got you 500 points and $10 got you 1000 points. NONE of this would matter to people the rest of the world because they dont pay by the dollar. XBL is worldwide network and the world doesnt go by what americans do. So rather than create a system using specific currency for each part of the world, MS has developed this points system.

Does it work in their favor.....hell yeah. But dont make the mistake of thinking that the system is desgined to mislead people because it doesnt follow an american standard of currency.

Why didnt they use each regions currency to be used all around the world, like PSN does? Who the hell knows.

And while we are bashing M$ for M$ greed, lets not forget Nintendo does the same exact thing.....its funny how young kids dont get mislead by the Wii's point system

 

[Vinsane]

I too thought that the achievements should bring points to be used on the marketplace. I can tell you though that I had the 360 from release date till fall last year and not once purchased a points card. I don't see the point behind purchasing more for a game when they already charge you $60. Then you want to drop another $15 on armor for your horse? gtfo.

It makes sense in the marketing department, and it's hardly a crime to charge for x amount of points, then turn around and have "left overs". It forces the gamer to A.) Purchase little stuff, not needed. B.) Buy another card and then purchase 2 more games (1200 - 800 = 400. Buy another 1200 card, 1600 = 2 games). or C.) Hang onto them.

If you're purchasing dlc or points then you're feeding the monster, if you're not then maybe you're missing out on some dlc? Doubt its a life changing decision because you didn't get four new maps for your crap GoW2 game, or you did.

Hand it to Microsoft, when you put a direct price value on something it might deter a person from buying it. Make up your own "currency" based on a region's actual currency and watch as the money pours in.

 

[leaffan]

you guys just seem to be missing one huge oversight. THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESNT PAY BY THE DOLLAR

lets say $5 got you 500 points and $10 got you 1000 points. NONE of this would matter to people the rest of the world because they dont pay by the dollar. XBL is worldwide network and the world doesnt go by what americans do. So rather than create a system using specific currency for each part of the world, MS has developed this points system.

Does it work in their favor.....hell yeah. But dont make the mistake of thinking that the system is desgined to mislead people because it doesnt follow an american standard of currency.

Why didnt they use each regions currency to be used all around the world, like PSN does? Who the hell knows.

And while we are bashing M$ for M$ greed, lets not forget Nintendo does the same exact thing.....its funny how young kids dont get mislead by the Wii's point system

I've said this twice already and they arn't getting it.

I'm almost about to pull the stupid american card here but it seems like its only a couple of guys that don't get it and what they've gone on about in their last couple posts we've already said as well.

Must be evil M$ (since its cool to use a dollar sign instead of the S) trying to fuck us yet again!

 

[jms493]

EPIC THREAD!!!

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

EPIC THREAD!!!

you know its gonna be a good time when twigg makes some anti-microsoft comments and the 360 defense force comes swooping in like a bunch of vultures.

 

[leaffan]

you know its gonna be a good time when twigg makes some anti-microsoft comments and the 360 defense force comes swooping in like a bunch of vultures.

The sad part is I still dislike consoles but only defend the 360 because some of the things people say about it is so dumb it needs to be argued.

 

[SethMode]

you know its gonna be a good time when twigg makes some anti-microsoft comments and the 360 defense force comes swooping in like a bunch of vultures.

This is stupid. It's nothing about the "360 Defense Force". The anti MS points people just made stupid arguments. There is plenty of shit that stinks about the 360, it's reliability being a huge one, so at least try to stick to bitching about the things that actually make sense. :lilbored:

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

This is stupid. It's nothing about the "360 Defense Force". The anti MS points people just made stupid arguments. There is plenty of shit that stinks about the 360, it's reliability being a huge one, so at least try to stick to bitching about the things that actually make sense. :lilbored:

the first sign of a defense force member is denial.

just sayin :tiptoe:

 

[Maynard]

I've said this twice already and they arn't getting it.

I'm almost about to pull the stupid american card here but it seems like its only a couple of guys that don't get it and what they've gone on about in their last couple posts we've already said as well.

Must be evil M$ (since its cool to use a dollar sign instead of the S) trying to fuck us yet again!

i know...but the fact that they arent getting it doesnt surprise me since they are being mislead by the points.

 

[red33]

wow some of you guys are really confusing the issues we are talking about here. No one here has said what MS doing is bad or illegal or even immoral but rather smart busniess, but thats not the question asked by the OP.

I get the MS system and i have no problems with it. The original post was about the reasoning behind the points system and MS coming out and saying it wasnt done intentionally.

Alrite answer my questions maynard or leaffan or whomever

1. Why not make the points system 100 instead of 80? Why was 80 chosen? Isnt 100 easier then 80?

2. MS biggest market is the US. Regardless of what the points are converted to, it has to be converted for every country uniquely. Why not make it easier on their biggest market?

3. Do you guys not believe something like this has a psychological impact on buyers? Seeing something for 800 points instead of 10 bucks seems cheaper does it not?

4. Also what do you have to say about MS changing the 360 name so the public will think the system is on par with the PS3 because they believe that people will assume the PS3 is superior because of the higher number? Again to me this shows MS does believe in initial impressions and psychological factors when it comes to sales.

Lastly again I have no issues with the points system or the denominations of the cards. I just think you guys are being incredibly naive when thinking that MS doesnt take into psychological factors in the consumer.

 

[dave]

I've always hated the points system.
I want to pay for what I'm getting, not bank with MS.

 

[leaffan]

wow some of you guys are really confusing the issues we are talking about here. No one here has said what MS doing is bad or illegal or even immoral but rather smart busniess, but thats not the question asked by the OP.

I get the MS system and i have no problems with it. The original post was about the reasoning behind the points system and MS coming out and saying it wasnt done intentionally.

Alrite answer my questions maynard or leaffan or whomever

1. Why not make the points system 100 instead of 80? Why was 80 chosen? Isnt 100 easier then 80?

2. MS biggest market is the US. Regardless of what the points are converted to, it has to be converted for every country uniquely. Why not make it easier on their biggest market?

3. Do you guys not believe something like this has a psychological impact on buyers? Seeing something for 800 points instead of 10 bucks seems cheaper does it not?

4. Also what do you have to say about MS changing the 360 name so the public will think the system is on par with the PS3 because they believe that people will assume the PS3 is superior because of the higher number? Again to me this shows MS does believe in initial impressions and psychological factors when it comes to sales.

Lastly again I have no issues with the points system or the denominations of the cards. I just think you guys are being incredibly naive when thinking that MS doesnt take into psychological factors in the consumer.

Red I seriously don't know if your not reading what we said but we've already covered all of that.

1: Its marketing.

2: They probably didn't think this many people would be having problems with it. Again it was probably choosen due to marketing.

3. We've already agree'd on this. Again its marketing.

4. Again its marketing. Hell they explain why they choose 360 in the dumb little movie that used to come with the first 360s.

Lastly we arn't being naive. We already know why and have said repeatitly its all about marketing. I think your just choosing not to read.

 

[riley420]

lol @ 360 Defense Force

That's good stuff.

I can be Both Man. Defender of Everyone Having Fun

 

[leaffan]

lol @ 360 Defense Force

That's good stuff.

I can be Both Man. Defender of Everyone Having Fun

I wish I had both systems...

I honestly miss the playstation controller.

 

[Twigg4075]

This couldn't have came at a better time...
"Microsoft sued over Xbox Live Points System"
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6247722.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;4

And for those of you that don't think that the point conversion can be confusing to some people, read the first line of the article.

 

[Maynard]

This couldn't have came at a better time...
"Microsoft sued over Xbox Live Points System"
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6247722.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;4

And for those of you that don't think that the point conversion can be confusing to some people, read the first line of the article.

nobody is arguing that point...not at all. It can be confused and IS confused by alot of people.....we refer to them as retards

 

[Twigg4075]

nobody is arguing that point...not at all. It can be confused and IS confused by alot of people.....we refer to them as retards

Oh for chrissakes...

Apparently the writers at Gamespot are retards as well...and Giant Bomb...and 1Up...and Games Radar...and Game Pro...

 

[leaffan]

Oh for chrissakes...

Apparently the writers at Gamespot are retards as well...and Giant Bomb...and 1Up...and Games Radar...and Game Pro...

Apparantly they don't know how to do basic math then.

 

[Twigg4075]

Apparantly they don't know how to do basic math then.

I hear ya. But, like I said in one of my main examples, go ahead and figure out the price of the L4D DLC. 540 points?!? And then what about 240 pints for some stupid avatar clothing or something. $3, right? But no one should have tyo break out a calculator to figure that shit out. Sure things that are 400/800/1200 points are easy to figure out but a lot of other shit is a pain in the dick.

And then there of course is the problem that you are always left with points forcing you to buy more. What if my 360 breaks (again) today and I just say fuck it. I'm left with 500 points that I couldn't buy dick with. Now does that matter to someone like me? Not really. But what about the person that scraped up every last dollar to buy a 360 and then decided to, god forbid, buy some points to download Rock Band songs. It's a joke.

And for all the people that keep saying "Well Xbox Live is a worldwide thing, blah blah blah." Did you fucking read the article?
"He goes on to explain "no matter if you're on the yen or the euro or the dollar — something that's 200 points is 200 points everywhere around the world", which apparently makes things easier on Microsoft. Except...the points themselves don't cost the same from region to region, undermining that uniformity."

Easier on M$ but fuck the consumer. And I love how so many people are "You're a fucking retard. Its a universal system!" Well then why isn't Nintendo and Sony doing the same thing? Yeah Nintendo uses points but at least they are the exact equivalent.

And AGAIN, why are the Games on Deman priced in U.S. dollars?!? Where the fuck is the uniformity? You know why? Because then they would have to say a game like Burnout would cost 3600 points or some shit and retardswould think "Umm, der, that sounds like a bunch uh money Cletus. I think I'll go down to da Gamestop and get me dat game der instead."