McGwire Back in Baseball!

[SethMode]

I understand that. I've never defended the move. I was more arguing his point that hitting coaches should be Rod Carew types when that's clearly not the case.

I'm going to have to agree with Senser as well, and point out that you missed his point. He's not saying that all hitting coaches are Rod Carew types. He's saying that if you're going to hire a former superstar hitter as a hitting coach, you probably should hire a Rod Carew type over a Mark McGwire type. For some reason you took the Rod Carew comparison far too literally. I think that Senser realizes that most coaches weren't superstar players (as he even illustrates in his point that more average players have to learn the subtleties of the game, thus making them more effective coaches).

So, in summation, I'm not sure what you're arguing about. You agree that it's a terrible hire, yet you're caught up on a Rod Carew/Mark McGwire comparison, when you essentially agree with Senser overall.

 

[FedEx227]

I'm going to have to agree with Senser as well, and point out that you missed his point. He's not saying that all hitting coaches are Rod Carew types. He's saying that if you're going to hire a former superstar hitter as a hitting coach, you probably should hire a Rod Carew type over a Mark McGwire type.

Actually what he said was:

Aren't hitting coaches supposed to be like Rod Carew...guys who hit .350 every year with 40 strikeouts? Not guys who hit .250 every year and struck out 150 times?

He says nothing about superstars there. Basically that comparison is zero sum. Most hitting coaches are neither of those.

I see your guys general point and I went a little too far in comparing hitting coaches outside of the McGwire box.

 

[SethMode]

Actually what he said was:



He says nothing about superstars there. Basically that comparison is zero sum. Most hitting coaches are neither of those.

I see your guys general point and I went a little too far in comparing hitting coaches outside of the McGwire box.

Yeah, I guess I just read between the lines of what he meant there. Either way, there are so many things to argue about on a daily basis here, let's not waste time arguing over things we agree about. :drunk:

 

[FedEx227]

HUH?? What evidence are you citing? Mike Maddux's pitching stats?

LOL at "clearly not the case". I don't think my point was that difficult to understand, but if you want to be a prick about everything, fine. Good for you.

No the fact that MLB hitting coaches are typically a bunch of very average former players, some of which barely made blips in the majors and some didn't even play in the majors.

We're basically arguing different points, so just forget it.

I took your Rod Carew comparison too far without really discussion the McGwire part of it. Whatever.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah, I guess I just read between the lines of what he meant there. Either way, there are so many things to argue about on a daily basis here, let's not waste time arguing over things we agree about. :drunk:

True.

It doesn't help that senser can't reply to one of my posts without filling it with personal attacks, but whatever.

 

[ralaw]

It's a horrible move for the Cardinals. I think it's LaRussa trying to help the public image of McGwire.....

That's what it seems like to me as well. I'm thinking McGwire wants to be back in the game, but he wants to do so without having to deal with his past. However, IMO this, "I'm not going to talk about it" response he has with every question is going to eventually cause him to be exposed further. As NOBLE said, he's a coward. He should just admit it and move on like many of the guys have done.

 

[Senser81]

Actually what he said was:



He says nothing about superstars there. Basically that comparison is zero sum. Most hitting coaches are neither of those.

I see your guys general point and I went a little too far in comparing hitting coaches outside of the McGwire box.

And, actually what I said was:

Thats not my point at all. I am talking about the type of player McGwire was, and how that type of player probably wouldn't make the best coach. He was obviously talented/roided enough to excel without ever understanding the finer points of hitting. Your comparison to Charley Lau is laughable. Your comparison to Rudy Jaramillo completely misses the point.

Guys like Mike Maddux and Dave Duncan weren't superstars, but they made the most of their limited abilities by understanding the game. To lump Mark McGwire in with those two guys is beyond comprehension.

If you honestly "understand" this hire to the point that you can criticize me, would you agree that teams will now seek out Sammy Sosa and Dave Kingman to be their hitting coaches?

 

[jeffx]

Both are cheaters, liars and cowards.

^^^ this.

 

[FedEx227]

Yeah, can't we just agree that they are all piles of enabling shit?

 

[FedEx227]

That's what it seems like to me as well. I'm thinking McGwire wants to be back in the game, but he wants to do so without having to deal with his past. However, IMO this, "I'm not going to talk about it" response he has with every question is going to eventually cause him to be exposed further. As NOBLE said, he's a coward. He should just admit it and move on like many of the guys have done.

It's the best PR move actually. Look at the guys that came out and said "Yeah, I did it" compared with the guys who fought for their pride and what not.

Giambi, A-Rod and Brian Roberts are far better off than McGwire, Bonds and Clemens.

I fully expect him to be a complete tool to reporters and the media for the entirety of this.

 

[Senser81]

It doesn't help that senser can't reply to one of my posts without filling it with personal attacks, but whatever.

Similar to how your "schtick" is acting like Corky from Life Goes On, my "schtick" is behaving like Drunk Angry Midget from the Howard Stern Show.

 

[FedEx227]

Cool.

Retard comparisons... very original/hilarious.

 

[Senser81]

Cool.

Retard comparisons... very original/hilarious.

Thats it? Thats your response?

Jesus Christ! Who is your posting coach? George Lopez?

 

[FedEx227]

Carlos Mencia.