Name This Quarterback

[young2rice]

In that case...H.O.F. Len Dawson

 

[Blick]

In that case...H.O.F. Len Dawson

There it is.

He played as a rookie, though.

 

[Blick]

Thoughts from the peanut gallery on 1st round upside now?

 

[leaffan]

Thoughts from the peanut gallery on 1st round upside now?

Not rushing a player and throwing him into the wild ended up being a good idea.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Len Dawson was stuck behind quality QB's like Earl Morrall, Bobby Layne, and Milt Plum early in his career.

There is a pretty big difference between those guys and the players Brady Quinn has been unable to unseat (Derek Anderson, Ken Dorsey, Tim Tebow, Kyle Orton).

When Dawson finally got to play, he thrived. When Quinn has played, he's been pretty terrible.

 

[Blick]

The point is that you don't know how careers are going to turn out. Too many variables. Coaches change, schemes change, players change, etc.

Who were all the quality DE's/OLB's that Jason Babin failed to unseat as he was bouncing around the league?

 

[EmpireWF]

The point is that you don't know how careers are going to turn out. Too many variables. Coaches change, schemes change, players change, etc.

Thanks for letting me know.

 

[FirstTimer]

I don't know whether to delete this thread or Berowsk's

And :rage: Warner. When Quinn has played he has been absurdly average.

 

[Senser81]

The only person to ever throw for 25 yards in his rookie season was Falcons Ben Bennett who went 1 for 2 for 25 yards in 1984, but he was a 6th round pick.

Where did you come up with that? Dawson threw for 25 yards in his rookie year.

BTW, Ben Bennett...greatest Chicago Bruiser ever.

 

[Woy]

This thread fucking sucks.

Only reason why Babin thrived is because he went to the Wide 9 defense, which guarantees even people like Champ 10 sacks a year. He's a product of a system.

 

[dell71]

Len Dawson played in the 1960s, he never once threw for 3,000 yards in a season something that 20 guys did last season alone... Including greats such as Tavaris Jackson and Mark Sanchez.

I agree with you that Blick made a lame attempt here, but please don't disparage the great Len Dawson by comparing him to T-Jack and the "Sanchise". Just the mere fact he played in the 60s is almost good enough reason to have never thrown for 3,000 yards in a season. As you note, football has evolved a bit since then.

 

[Senser81]

I was in no way trying to put down Dawson. Just Blick's little vendetta here that has now spilled into numerous threads. The Sanchize and Jackson drops were merely points of reference as to how much different the game is now.

Your Len Dawson hate is misdirected and unjustified. We are no longer "Glenser".

 

[Berowsk]

I don't know whether to delete this thread or Berowsk's

And :rage: Warner. When Quinn has played he has been absurdly average.

I only made mine after I realized the underlying purpose of this thread, which was to make a point. This one will be dead soon, hopefully people keep the game going in the other one.

 

[Blick]

Brady Quinn has been unable to unseat (Derek Anderson, Ken Dorsey, Tim Tebow, Kyle Orton).

Anderson and Dorsey didn't outplay Quinn in Cleveland.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2008.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2009.htm

Quinn and Anderson were about even in '08. Quinn outplayed Anderson in '09. Dorsey was on a different planet of bad QB play and shouldn't have ever been in the mix. But, he was. Why? Because coaches don't know what the fuck they are doing sometimes. You should be pretty familiar with this as you have vehemently disagreed with a variety of things the Rams have done over the years.

Now, notice I didn't say Quinn played well anywhere. He didn't. You're absolutely right that Quinn has been pretty bad up to this point. But is that Quinn's fault or the product of being in a shitty situation in Cleveland? I'd say Cleveland had a lot to do with it.

Quinn will not get a chance to compete for the starting job with Matt Cassel in KC. The Chiefs believe Cassel is good enough to win a championship with. They're retarded, but that's what they believe.

The idea that the best players will play is just coach speak. It's bullshit. Coaches and GM's have their favorites(sometimes not even with good reasons, like Cassel) and a pecking order is established. A QB competition is rarely instituted.

I'd love to see Quinn get a chance to compete with Cassel, but it won't happen, and that's out of Quinn's control. It seems like he's been getting a pretty raw deal so far in his career.

 

[Woy]

You wouldn't give two shits about Brady Quinn getting a "chance" if he wasn't a Chief.

 

[Blick]

You wouldn't give two shits about Brady Quinn getting a "chance" if he wasn't a Chief.

Wrong.

 

[G-men]

NFL coaches have no idea what they are doing when it comes to judging quarterbacks. Blick does.

/thread

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Comparing 1960's NFL QB development to that of the 2010's...I see this thread making lots of fundamental sense. Would read again.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Anderson and Dorsey didn't outplay Quinn in Cleveland.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2008.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/2009.htm

Quinn and Anderson were about even in '08. Quinn outplayed Anderson in '09. Dorsey was on a different planet of bad QB play and shouldn't have ever been in the mix. But, he was. Why? Because coaches don't know what the fuck they are doing sometimes. You should be pretty familiar with this as you have vehemently disagreed with a variety of things the Rams have done over the years.

Now, notice I didn't say Quinn played well anywhere. He didn't. You're absolutely right that Quinn has been pretty bad up to this point. But is that Quinn's fault or the product of being in a shitty situation in Cleveland? I'd say Cleveland had a lot to do with it.

Quinn will not get a chance to compete for the starting job with Matt Cassel in KC. The Chiefs believe Cassel is good enough to win a championship with. They're retarded, but that's what they believe.

The idea that the best players will play is just coach speak. It's bullshit. Coaches and GM's have their favorites(sometimes not even with good reasons, like Cassel) and a pecking order is established. A QB competition is rarely instituted.

I'd love to see Quinn get a chance to compete with Cassel, but it won't happen, and that's out of Quinn's control. It seems like he's been getting a pretty raw deal so far in his career.

The issue of who outplayed who in Cleveland during those years is not the point, because none of them were good. The point, is that Quinn has been unable to outplay and win starting jobs over nothing but below average competition his entire career.

You directly compared him to a QB (from roughly 60 years ago) who had the misfortune of playing behind a hall of famer, a super bowl winner, and an All Pro. Len Dawson didn't play well his first five years because he basically never played. Quinn hasn't played well because he's terrible. He's had chances and has never looked good enough to beat out the likes of Ken Dorsey and a glorified FB.

 

[Maynard]

a 3 page thread about brady quinn. bigwill would never have allowed this