NCAA CFB - Week 12 Random Thoughts

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Bray: "I'm paid to win games." Reporter: "You're paid?" Bray: "I mean ... my education. That's what the SEC likes to call 'getting paid.'"

 

[s@ppisgod]

LOL. And neither does "survived by the skin of their teeth," either, right? You were talking about an average winning margin of 35-11 when you said that? Riiiight.

It's laughable to assert that 2012 Notre Dame is at all comparable to 2011 LSU.

Did they not against Bama? I get that you gotta keep the SEC's dick in your mouth at all times, but if you gave half a damn about what I said, you could see the comparison drawn instead of constantly living up to your rep. That'll never happen though, this isn't that type of place...

 

[KNUBB]

Did they not against Bama? I get that you gotta keep the SEC's dick in your mouth at all times, but if you gave half a damn about what I said, you could see the comparison drawn instead of constantly living up to your rep. That'll never happen though, this isn't that type of place...

Playing Bama close last season was acceptable. What isn't acceptable is losing to Stanford(Yes I'm counting it) and multiple OTs with Pitt

 

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Did they not against Bama? I get that you gotta keep the SEC's dick in your mouth at all times, but if you gave half a damn about what I said, you could see the comparison drawn instead of constantly living up to your rep. That'll never happen though, this isn't that type of place...

I just don't know why you are trying to compare the two situations, they are totally different. You are comparing the 17th best scoring offense last season to the nation's 79th ranked scoring offense this season.

How exactly was LSU "winning ugly" last year? By scoring a lot of points and not giving up very many? And how exactly is that similar to this year's Notre Dame team?

Sorry, just not seeing the parallels. Pretty off-base comparison.

Re-reading your post now...

LSU last year had two awful QBs, played ugly games, survived by the skin of their teeth, and they weren't docked for not being a flashy team/offense that year, but ND is this year

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Maybe they weren't "docked" for not having a "flashy offense" because despite having two awful QBs (awful QBs who ended the year with a 20-5 TD/INT ratio, but no big deal), they scored a lot of points.

I mean, they topped 40 points nine fucking times. What was there for people to detract? They played one ugly game, and scored a ton of points in the others. Not at all like Notre Dame's trajectory.

26 ppg < 35 ppg
79th overall < 17th overall

Where is the comparison coming from?

 

[Cornelius]

I love how easily Urban Meyer is making it look to win the Big Ten title. Too bad it doesn't count.

 

[s@ppisgod]

I just don't know why you are trying to compare the two situations, they are totally different. You are comparing the 17th best scoring offense last season to the nation's 79th ranked scoring offense this season.

How exactly was LSU "winning ugly" last year? By scoring a lot of points and not giving up very many? And how exactly is that similar to this year's Notre Dame team?

Sorry, just not seeing the parallels. Pretty off-base comparison.

My point is that LSU was hardly viewed as an offensive power. They had issues at QB, they weren't a very flashy offense, they didn't have a skill offensive player all that near the Heisman race. When you talk about how good LSU was going into the NC last year, it was them playing a tough schedule and winning the best conference in the nation, as well as having probably the best defense in the country. When talking about ND this year, I think the same things are true. Yes, LSU was a better team last year. I don't think you expect me to argue they are. But they seem to be getting docked points for not having a clear cut QB, not having an explosive offense, etc. Yet, they have the toughest schedule of the unbeatens and they have arguably the best defense in the country. Yeah, they almost lost to Pittsburgh. My Canes in 01 almost lost to a very average BC team, and they're widely considered the best college team of the last 20 years, if not ever. Should Bama still be ranked #1 because they almost beat A&M?

I just think ND should get more credit for being undefeated against a tough schedule, instead of being #3 according to almost EVERYONE, behind a team like Oregon who is all based on fan perception. Yeah, they could be the best team in the country, but they've had little chance to show it against that cupcake schedule of theirs. If ND was undefeated against that schedule, they'd be ranked 10th, and everyone would say how it was based on name and bias.

 

[s@ppisgod]

I just don't know why you are trying to compare the two situations, they are totally different. You are comparing the 17th best scoring offense last season to the nation's 79th ranked scoring offense this season.

How exactly was LSU "winning ugly" last year? By scoring a lot of points and not giving up very many? And how exactly is that similar to this year's Notre Dame team?

Sorry, just not seeing the parallels. Pretty off-base comparison.

Re-reading your post now...


:rofl:

Maybe they weren't "docked" for not having a "flashy offense" because despite having two awful QBs (awful QBs who ended the year with a 20-5 TD/INT ratio, but no big deal), they scored a lot of points.

I mean, they topped 40 points nine fucking times. What was there for people to detract? They played one ugly game, and scored a ton of points in the others. Not at all like Notre Dame's trajectory.

26 ppg < 35 ppg
79th overall < 17th overall

Where is the comparison coming from?

Last year, LSU was ranked 100th in the nation in passing and 15th in rushing. This year, ND is ranked 90th in passing and 33rd in rushing. You're right, they couldn't be more different. And you realize that their defense and special teams scored points at a pretty decent clip also, right?

 

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Last year, LSU was ranked 100th in the nation in passing and 15th in rushing. This year, ND is ranked 90th in passing and 33rd in rushing. You're right, they couldn't be more different. And you realize that their defense and special teams scored points at a pretty decent clip also, right?

Oh I see those extra 10 points per game came from the special teams. Do touchdowns scored by running backs not count as offensive scores? LSU had 32 of those, this year's ND team has 19. LSU also had twice as many passing touchdowns (20). 52 touchdowns > 29. Obviously Notre Dame still has a few more games, so maybe they'll crack 40 touchdowns on the year.

Sorry, sill not seeing the comparison with respect to a voter's perception of the two being similar. One scored a lot of points each week and had several blow outs, and the other has not done that as often.

 

[Jayrock]

What isn't acceptable is losing to Stanford(Yes I'm counting it)

lol come on knubb, even if you think Taylor was in the endzone (he wasn't), the game would have been tied.

But yeah needing a blocked punt to beat UL Lafayette makes you a much better team than playing Pittsburgh close

 

[Senser81]

I love how easily Urban Meyer is making it look to win the Big Ten title. Too bad it doesn't count.

The Big10 is in sorry shape. They used to have top QBs and big name coaches. Now they have neither. My NFL scout friend says that outside of maybe one or two guys, the MAC conference has had better NFL-prospect QBs than the Big10 for the last decade. The fact that Northwestern can win 8 or 9 games every year shows how bad the Big10 really is.

 

[Jayrock]

The Big10 is in sorry shape. They used to have top QBs and big name coaches. Now they have neither. My NFL scout friend says that outside of maybe one or two guys, the MAC conference has had better NFL-prospect QBs than the Big10 for the last decade. The fact that Northwestern can win 8 or 9 games every year shows how bad the Big10 really is.

The Big 10 will be back in 3 or less years. Michigan is bringing in some good classes under Hoke, Urban will keep winning, and Penn State will be a top team again after their whole scandal is over. Nebraska will always be at least decent, Wisconsin is having a down year but I'd have to assume they'll soon be back to their old ways. If teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, etc. keep improving and pulling in better and better classes then the B1G will be even better than before this year. I'm not sure what happened to MSU, but it seems like every year the ND game makes or breaks their entire season. It's weird.

The B1G is not in any trouble though, IMO

 

[Point Blank]

Pretty cool the school I'm stationed right next to is #1 in the nation. Sucks I'm deployed missing all the wildness that's been going down. Hope they are somewhat good next season.

 

[Senser81]

The Big 10 will be back in 3 or less years. Michigan is bringing in some good classes under Hoke, Urban will keep winning, and Penn State will be a top team again after their whole scandal is over.

Michigan will probably be good in a few years, but in a way, that should be expected because they are clearly one of the top 2 programs in the conference. Its pretty amazing how terrible Rich Rodriguez messed things up. I'm sure Urban will keep winning. Outside of 1994, Penn State has never been a top team in the Big10. They've usually been a step below the Wisconsins and Iowas, and they've never been able to beat OSU/Michigan.

Nebraska will always be at least decent

I guess, but, much like Penn State when they joined the Big10, Nebraska was supposed to improve the conference. Instead, they've blended right in with everyone else...moronic head coach, terrible QB, struggle to beat Northwestern.

If teams like Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, etc. keep improving and pulling in better and better classes then the B1G will be even better than before this year.

Purdue used to be a big player under Tiller, now they are back to being one of the worst programs in the nation. Indiana got incredibly lucky this year, but they've always been one of the worst programs in the nation. Minnesota is currently one of the worst programs in the nation. What is this "improvement" you speak of?

I'm not sure what happened to MSU, but it seems like every year the ND game makes or breaks their entire season. It's weird.

The B1G is not in any trouble though, IMO

What happened to MSU is that they hit the jackpot and finally had a decent QB (Cousins), but now they are back to having a guy who can't throw the ball 15 yards and who struggle to put up points on the scoreboard. Its the same for many Big10 programs.

 

[Jayrock]

Purdue used to be a big player under Tiller, now they are back to being one of the worst programs in the nation. Indiana got incredibly lucky this year, but they've always been one of the worst programs in the nation. Minnesota is currently one of the worst programs in the nation. What is this "improvement" you speak of?

Well, Purdue was a B1G favorite at one point. That's some improvement from their past. Wilson had IU with a shot at the Rose Bowl this year and is bringing in quite a few 4 star recruits. They'll be better. Minnesota has actually won a few games this year, so they're improving.

 

[Sharkweather]

Well, Purdue was a B1G favorite at one point. Wilson had IU with a shot at the Rose Bowl this year

All this does is just validate how horrible the Big Ten is this year, not that these programs are significantly improving.

 

[s@ppisgod]

Oh I see those extra 10 points per game came from the special teams. Do touchdowns scored by running backs not count as offensive scores? LSU had 32 of those, this year's ND team has 19. LSU also had twice as many passing touchdowns (20). 52 touchdowns > 29. Obviously Notre Dame still has a few more games, so maybe they'll crack 40 touchdowns on the year.

Sorry, sill not seeing the comparison with respect to a voter's perception of the two being similar. One scored a lot of points each week and had several blow outs, and the other has not done that as often.

See, you're doing it again. You're intentionally ignoring that they did score well on defense and special teams, which shouldn't be attributed to their offense, and instead arguing that this doesn't make up the 10 point difference. Which wasn't what I was arguing at all. It certainly closes the gap, though.

 

[Senser81]

You're doing it again, too.

 

[TheImmortalGoud]

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012-articles/november/your-week-12-college-football-announcing-schedule.html

Friday, November 16

8 PM- Florida International at Florida Atlantic (ESPNU) Adam Amin, Tom Luginbill

9:30 PM- Hawaii at Air Force (ESPN2) Carter Blackburn, Rod Gilmore, Jemele Hill

Saturday, November 17

Noon- Iowa at Michigan (ESPN, ESPN3D) Dave Pasch, Brian Griese, Jenn Brown

Noon- Northwestern at Michigan State (ESPN2) Bob Wischusen, Danny Kanell, Maria Taylor

Noon- Florida State at Maryland (ESPNU) Tom Hart, John Congemi

Noon- Central Florida at Tulsa (FSN, FCS Central) Mike Gleason, Dave Lapham, Desmond Purnell

Noon- Temple at Army (CBS Sports) Ben Holden, Randy Cross, Brad Strimel

Noon- Indiana at Penn State (BTN) Kevin Kugler, Chris Martin, J Leman

Noon- Houston at Marshall (CSS) Bernie Guenther, Chuck Oliver, Rachel Baribeau

Noon- Rutgers at Cincinnati (Big East Network, ESPN3) Eamon McEneaney, David Diaz-Infante, Paul Carcaterra

Noon- Western Carolina at Alabama (SEC Network, ESPN3) Mike Morgan, Chris Doering, Jill Montgomery

Noon- Arkansas at Mississippi State (SEC Network, ESPN3) Dave Neal, Andre Ware, Cara Capuano

Noon- Kent State at Bowling Green (ESPN+, ESPN3) Greg Frank, Tom Cole

12:30 PM- Virginia Tech at Boston College (ACC Network, ESPN3) Tim Brant, Dave Archer, Mike Hogewood

1 PM- Wofford at South Carolina (Gamecock PPV, ESPN3) Andy Demetra, Brad Muller

1 PM- Jacksonville State at Florida (Sun Sports PPV, ESPN3) Larry Vettel, Nat Moore, Brady Ackerman

1:30 PM- Washington at Colorado (FX) Justin Kutcher, Eric Crouch, Darius Walker

1:30 PM- Georgia Southern at Georgia (WSB, ESPN3) Bob Neal, D. J. Jones, Zach Klein

2 PM- Alabama A&M at Auburn (CSS PPV, ESPN3) Andy Burchman, Ben Leard

3 PM- USC at UCLA (FOX) Gus Johnson, Charles Davis, Julie Alexandria

3 PM- South Florida at Miami [FL] (ACC Regional, ESPN3) Rich Waltz, Keith Jones, Jenn Hildreth

3 PM- Washington State at Arizona State (Pac-12 Networks) Kevin Calabro, Adam Archuleta, Yogi Roth

3:30 PM- Ole Miss at LSU (CBS, cbssports.com) Verne Lundquist, Gary Danielson, Tracy Wolfson

3:30 PM- Wake Forest at Notre Dame (NBC, nbcsports.com) Tom Hammond, Mike Mayock, Alex Flanagan

3:30 PM- Ohio State at Wisconsin (ABC/ ESPN2) Joe Tessitore, Matt Millen, Quint Kessenich

3:30 PM- NC State at Clemson (ABC/ ESPN2) Mike Patrick, Ed Cunningham, Jeannine Edwards

3:30 PM- Duke at Virginia Tech (ESPNU) Anish Shroff, Dan Hawkins

3:30 PM- Colorado State at Boise State (NBC Sports) Paul Burmeister, Rod Woodson, Anthony Herron

3:30 PM- Texas Tech at Oklahoma State (FSN, FCS Central) Ron Thulin, Brian Baldinger, Jim Knox

3:30 PM- Texas State at Navy (CBS Sports) Grant Boone, Todd Christensen, Sheehan Stanwick Burch

3:30 PM- Purdue at Illinois (BTN) Tim Neverett, Glen Mason, Rebecca Haarlow

3:30 PM- Minnesota at Nebraska (BTN) Eric Collins, Derek Rackley, Jon Jansen

3:30 PM- SMU at Rice (CSS) Dave Raymond, ND Kalu, Leila Rahimi

3:30 PM- East Carolina at Tulane (Cox, WITN) Tim Grubbs, Deuce McAllister

3:30 PM- Arkansas State at Troy (Troy IMG Sports Network) Sam Smith, Kelin Johnson

3:30 PM- Nevada at New Mexico (Comcast New Mexico, Charter- Reno) Jeff Siembieda, Kole McKamey

3:30 PM- Sam Houston State at Texas A&M (FSSW PPV, ESPN3) Ralph Strangis, Shea Walker, Will Johnson

4 PM- Wyoming at UNLV (Time Warner Cable SportsNet) Barry Tompkins, Jay Leeuwenburg

4 PM- Utah State at Louisiana Tech (ESPN+, ESPN3) Trey Bender, John Bunting

5 PM- UTSA at Idaho (KCWX) Sam Adams, Bill Ames, Jim Goodman

7 PM- Oklahoma at West Virginia (FOX) Craig Bolerjack, Joel Klatt, Petros Papadakis

7 PM- Tennessee at Vanderbilt (ESPN2) Mark Jones, Brock Huard, Jessica Mendoza

7 PM- Syracuse at Missouri (ESPNU) Clay Matvick, Matt Stinchcomb, Allison Williams

7 PM- Iowa State at Kansas (FSN, FCS Atlantic) Steve Physioc, JC Pearson, Laura McKeeman

7:30 PM- Samford at Kentucky (CSS, ESPN3) Matt Stewart, Cole Cubelic, Angela Mallen

8 PM- Stanford at Oregon (ABC) Brent Musburger, Kirk Herbstreit, Heather Cox

8 PM- Kansas State at Baylor (ESPN) Brad Nessler, Todd Blackledge, Holly Rowe

8 PM- UTEP at Southern Miss (CBS Sports) James Bates, Aaron Taylor, Ron Gardner

10 PM- Arizona at Utah (ESPNU) Joe Davis, Kelly Stouffer

10:30 PM- BYU at San Jose State (ESPN2) Beth Mowins, Joey Galloway, Kaylee Hartung

10:30 PM- California at Oregon State (Pac-12 Networks) Ted Robinson, Glen Parker, Ryan Nece

ESPN3 exclusives:

7 PM- Western Kentucky at Louisiana-Lafayette- Jonathon Yardley, Forest Conoly

FCS:

Saturday, November 17

Noon- Yale at Harvard (NBC Sports) Randy Moss, Ross Tucker, Carolyn Manno

Noon- Tennessee Tech at Austin Peay (FCS Pacific) Kevin Ingram, Bob Bevlin

Noon- Towson at New Hampshire (Comcast) Brent Harris, Brad Jackson, Brian Jackson

Noon- Western Carolina at Alabama (SEC Network, ESPN3) Mike Morgan, Chris Doering, Jill Montgomery

1 PM- Lehigh at Lafayette (WFMZ, Lafayette Sports Network, FCS Atlantic) Gary Laubach, Mike Joseph, John Leone

1 PM- Drake at Jacksonville (CW 17) Cole Pepper, Steve Gilbert

1 PM- North Dakota State at Illinois State (NBC North Dakota, ESPN3) Brian Shawn, Lee Timmerman

1 PM- Wofford at South Carolina (Gamecock PPV, ESPN3) Andy Demetra, Brad Muller

1 PM- Jacksonville State at Florida (Sun Sports PPV, ESPN3) Larry Vettel, Nat Moore, Brady Ackerman

1:30 PM- Georgia Southern at Georgia (WSB, ESPN3) Bob Neal, D. J. Jones, Zach Klein

2 PM- Alabama A&M at Auburn (CSS PPV, ESPN3) Andy Burchman, Ben Leard

2 PM- Florida A&M vs. Bethune Cookman (ESPN Classic) Mike Corey, Jay Walker

2 PM- Indiana State at Youngstown State (my YTV, ESPN3) Chad Krispinsky, David Sess

2 PM- Mississippi Valley State at Texas Southern (KHOU 11.2 Houston's Bounce TV) Nick Strong, Lamont Williams

3 PM- South Dakota at South Dakota State (Midco Sports Net) Brian Shawn, Lee Timmerman, Kevin Fenney

3:30 PM- Montana State at Montana (ROOT, Audience Network) Tom Glasglow, Sherdric Bonner, Jason Stiles, Jenny Cavnar, Jen Mueller

3:30 PM- Charleston Southern at Coastal Carolina (MASN, ESPN3) Evan Lepler, Nate Ross

3:30 PM- Sam Houston State at Texas A&M (FSSW PPV, ESPN3) Ralph Strangis, Shea Walker, Will Johnson

4 PM- Eastern Washington at Portland State (Comcast Northwest, Big Sky TV) Bob Akamian, Mouse Davis

4 PM- Northwestern State at Stephen F. Austin (Southland TV Network, ESPN3) Randy McIlvoy, Rene Nadeau, Brooke Bentley

6 PM- Sacramento State at UC Davis (Comcast California, Big Sky TV) Roxy Bernstein, Mike Lamb, Dan Dibley

6 PM- Cal Poly at Northern Arizona (NAU-TV, FCS Pacific) Mitch Strohman, Kevin Stephens, Marc Buckhout

7 PM- Old Dominion at James Madison (NBC Sports) Todd Harris, Blaine Fowler

7:30 PM- Samford at Kentucky (CSS, ESPN3) Matt Stewart, Cole Cubelic, Angela Mallen

ESPN3 exclusives:

1:30 PM- Liberty at Virginia Military Institute- Mark Bryant, Lenny Batycki

1:30 PM- The Citadel at Furman- Darren Goldwater, Doug Chapman

NAIA

Saturday, November 17

2:30 PM- Bethel at Georgetown College (FCS Atlantic) Jim Tirey, Brian Riveb

 

[FirstTimer]

 

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CuppyCup is a poor man's LSUFreek. Wake me up when he learns how to de-interlace.

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