PS3 League; Enough Failed Attempts!

[steeljake]

be careful houtz. he will leave you holding the bag.

 

[DSpydr84]

be careful houtz. he will leave you holding the bag.

Ok Steel, you win. I tried to handle this through PMs, but you want to make it public. So I'll talk...

I played 3 games for the VSSML. You played 4 games for the VSSML. My final game in the first four-game-wave was against the Eagles owner (who you suggested because he's reliable and he was "your guy", and who I personally didn't want to invite because he had one post in like 3 months, but I let him join anyway at your word). I chased him for days, constantly IMed him, constantly IMed YOU (which I'm sure you remember), and we still never got our game in.

So, I decided I would go on to my next game assuming he was never going to show up. I IMed my next opponent (Lupe) and he said he dropped from the league. So I went to my next guy (his IM was E r i kk mo or something; forget his team), and we never really got a date set up (kind of did that "let's play sometime Wednesday" bullshit; that I should've done a better job of).

Then WE [you and I] talked, and WE decided the league was over because people were dropping (which is why I'm totally baffled by this whole scenario). I distinctly remember asking you what we should do, and you said we will set it up again at another time and get new owners. I figured this marked the end of VSSML.

If I did something wrong in this scenario, I really do apologize for doing so. My intentions for the league were good, and I never meant to tamper it in any way. I have no problem with you, and you know I would've loved to see us build the PS3 fan-base together.

What I DON'T understand is where you interpreted what I did as bailing on the league. Like I said before, we had talked about it and we both felt it was best to start the league over at another time.

So my question to you in this whole rant: what is it that I said or did that gave you the impression I bailed on the VSSML?

 

[steeljake]

you forgot the point at which you aimed me saying you were out cuz you didnt have time, this was long before the other people bailed.

the point is, when in leadership you dont get to just go out, you bailed long before it died on its own from lack of PS 3 madden players. spin it anyway you like spydr, you didnt finish what you started, and now you wanna be in that position again with someone who doesnt know you. so i am just making sure the new guy knows what he is getting into.

dont play like your calling me out, you failed, you quit, not me.

 

[DSpydr84]

you forgot the point at which you aimed me saying you were out cuz you didnt have time, this was long before the other people bailed.

the point is, when in leadership you dont get to just go out, you bailed long before it died on its own from lack of PS 3 madden players. spin it anyway you like spydr, you didnt finish what you started, and now you wanna be in that position again with someone who doesnt know you. so i am just making sure the new guy knows what he is getting into.

dont play like your calling me out, you failed, you quit, not me.

I'm not calling you out at all, I never said you quit, and I'm not spinning it how I want to. I'm just curious why you're upset, because I didn't know you were. So don't think of this as an attack; I'm just trying to learn something.

Had I bailed long before it died, wouldn't I have been far behind in games played? I only missed the Eagles game in a two week time-span (who I hounded after to get the game in), and the league only lasted a maximum of 3 weeks (it was probably less). And that is exactly why I talked to you about it, because the league was crumbling.

I could've done more. There's no question about that. But I never bailed on the league, it was a mutual agreement between us that the VSSML was over.

 

[Herm]

Jake and Spydr quit bitching, i played in that league too. You guys might think i "quit" but i got tired of trying to chase down guys who would never answer my IMs or not show up for times we were supposed to play. I played all the games i could in that time the league was open.




Here's the deal with me for leagues from now on.... back in the day mostly ps2 MM days I loved leagues, i would be active in 3 leagues at once and not blink. I was hype for it and down for entering stats down to the last special teams tackle.
Now I really think leaguedaddy stats ARE A CHORE. Im only going to be down for leagues from now on that either dont keep stats for players or keep very limited stats. Its too time consuming to enter all that shit. I LOVE THE LEAGUES on NBA 2k9 they auto keep stats and records for you and i feel its the perfect setup.


I feel ive been playing what i call "sim" and in sim leagues for about 5 years online now. Recently i went back to playing madden and pretty much nobody from here or my MM friends list is playing online so i went to playing headset/east room lobby games. I would ask for realistic nfl style games and the result was about 8 fun games out of 10 playing randoms. Hell if I can just find opponents who actually punt a few times a game and dont run no huddle as their primary form of offense i usually have fun playing online now.

 

[DSpydr84]

Here's the deal with me for leagues from now on.... back in the day mostly ps2 MM days I loved leagues, i would be active in 3 leagues at once and not blink. I was hype for it and down for entering stats down to the last special teams tackle.
Now I really think leaguedaddy stats ARE A CHORE. Im only going to be down for leagues from now on that either dont keep stats for players or keep very limited stats. Its too time consuming to enter all that shit. I LOVE THE LEAGUES on NBA 2k9 they auto keep stats and records for you and i feel its the perfect setup.


I feel ive been playing what i call "sim" and in sim leagues for about 5 years online now. Recently i went back to playing madden and pretty much nobody from here or my MM friends list is playing online so i went to playing headset/east room lobby games. I would ask for realistic nfl style games and the result was about 8 fun games out of 10 playing randoms. Hell if I can just find opponents who actually punt a few times a game and dont run no huddle as their primary form of offense i usually have fun playing online now.

That's exactly what my plan was for the first couple seasons when were just building a member base. Just play some sim-style games, record who wins, and have a playoff/championship game. Just have a good time with it. I think if 5-8 people wanted to do something as simple as that (which is what this whole thread was about), we could easily progress into bigger and better things once 2010 drops. But as for right now, we just need a league that EXISTS... at least that's how I look at it. I couldn't care less how many people are involved.

 

[DSpydr84]

I think you're missing his point tho. No one touches Madden anymore. I play it when I have a league game and thats' the only time. When 2010 drops this place will be fucking chaotic and we'll have plenty of guys to make a league.

One thing MM did that I loved was had a tryout team and in order to get approved you had to play "sim". It seems like over here it's more freestyle then sim and that's something I don't dig.

Yeah but I figured it was worth a shot to start one up now. Like I said, that's why it's only a couple guys and not a full 32-team league.

And logical thinking says when 2010 drops, everyone will want to join a league. But Steel and I had that approach last year, and still had a hard time getting 12 active members. Granted with the MM merge we now have more to work with, I think being proactive now and getting as many people as we can now would guarantee us of having a full league in August, instead of hoping for it. It will also guarantee that at the very least, we will have 8-15 people that we all know, and that we all can trust to be sim players (although that tryout idea was pretty cool).

If enough people want to do it, I'll be more than happy to get one started as soon as possible. But like you said, Madden is dead now, so it's very difficult getting people... even if it's only 5 or 6. I know you said you wouldn't mind, I know OOBL is dying to get a league going, I would join... so if we got 3-5 more people we could be set. It's nothing huge, but it gets the PS3 league off the ground at least. If it doesn't work, we're right back where we started, and we make a new one in 2010.

 

[steeljake]

i will be trust that hale. i have been meaning to drop mack a line and get him on the way, my plan is to team up with him and have a VSN sanctioned league.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

With MM's merge and hopefully a great game, we should have no problems getting a full 32 man league. The only bad part about that is there is no "approval" system to weed out the cheesers or unsim players. That's the shit that ruins leagues.

oh fuckin please Houtz...half the guys "MM Approved" played sim for their tryouts and then tried funky shit on me and others...there were always guys gettin called out for it and they were all approved. I see where your coming from, the tryout team is a good idea, but its not fool proof.

And idk why nobody seems to completely comprehend Spydr's plan....BUILD A SOLID BASE NOW, when there arent many people down to join the league, down to play madden all the time, get thos eguys in now, and let them be the base of our entire operation here. It doesnt sound too bad to me, actually pretty dam smart.

 

[steeljake]

the solution is for the leaders of the league to just tryout the players that are coming in. this way VSN doesnt have to have teh drama about being approved on the forums. I know alot of the ps 3 people from the leagues i have been in this year and on ps 2 and how their games are.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

the solution is for the leaders of the league to just tryout the players that are coming in. this way VSN doesnt have to have teh drama about being approved on the forums. I know alot of the ps 3 people from the leagues i have been in this year and on ps 2 and how their games are.

fact of the matter is, no matter how "sim" somebody is, they WILL still fuck up at one point with one somewhat questionable call...and then the shit hits the fan, like when me and you played i went for it one 4th and inches on my what 43 or so yard line? i didnt FB dive, i didnt QB sneak, i ran a regular run and get it, no cheese what soever thats a situation i've seen it gone for MANY times in the NFL, i mean you didnt make a huge deal of it you were cool about it, but you still brought it up. I mean as long as theres no rocket catch, excessive fb dives/qb sneaks, rb at fb then its pretty sim, hardcore rules may drive people away, for ONE person to make the rules by what they think is the right standards isnt the right thing to do, thats why a lot of people flake out or are skeptical to get in, i will play no matter what the rules are i dont care but a lot of people do.

 

[steeljake]

well, truth be told there are basically a general set of rules most sim leagues play by. fourth down rules, no glitches, no running the same plays... ect. someleagues have rules on when you can snap the ball with guys in motion, others do not. The definition of sim can change from league to league, so if you don't like the rules one group plays by, then you should find another to play in. I have always tried to have the least amount of rules as possible, but I always find there are a few guys who will bend them but not break them and it will make me have to tweak the rules or be more specific.

As for that time we played and you went for it on 4th short of the 50, it wasnt a lg game so i didnt say anything, besides you used a play to do it and didnt cheese it up.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

well, truth be told there are basically a general set of rules most sim leagues play by. fourth down rules, no glitches, no running the same plays... ect. someleagues have rules on when you can snap the ball with guys in motion, others do not. The definition of sim can change from league to league, so if you don't like the rules one group plays by, then you should find another to play in. I have always tried to have the least amount of rules as possible, but I always find there are a few guys who will bend them but not break them and it will make me have to tweak the rules or be more specific.

As for that time we played and you went for it on 4th short of the 50, it wasnt a lg game so i didnt say anything, besides you used a play to do it and didnt cheese it up.

yeah i completely get what your saying...but I've been in a few leagues where you get like a "Coaches Choice" so i thought nothing of it. And the best way to do it is to have the least amount of rules, but a solid core of guys that you know wont do anything cheesy.