QB's Under Pressure

[Aso]

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/16/pressure-reveals/

Stats you can't get anywhere else.

Discuss

 

[Aso]

Josh Freeman looks pretty good when under pressure... :drive:

 

[Blick]

I love that site. Always interesting stuff.

 

[Bear Pand]

Weird how Manning is towards the bottom of the list in terms of pressured % when he had the 2nd most dropbacks. Considering not only did Indy have a one dimensional offense they also had a bad offensive line.

Must be teams scared to blitz him or just him getting rid of the ball extremely fast.

 

[Scikotic]

This thread is going to turn into one big hard-on for Josh Freeman, just like the "Top 100 NFL players" thread...

 

[Bear Pand]

It's actually more interesting to point out how bad Sanchez is, but a discussion on Sanchez will eventually turn into one about Freeman. :smug:

 

[j.hen]

Matty Ice livin' up to the name with a 10:1 touchdown:interception ratio when under pressure.

:smug:

 

[BigBucs]

Interesting. :smugrussell: Pokes wholes in a few idiots arguments but I wont be the one to do it.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yay! More Freeman, please!!!!!!

Oh Jesus Christ. Don't feed the troll.

 

[Scikotic]

It's actually more interesting to point out how bad Sanchez is, but a discussion on Sanchez will eventually turn into one about Freeman. :smug:

Clearly you haven't watched the Jets in the playoffs the past 2 seasons, nor notice that he has played very well against great teams in the process of claiming 4 road playoff wins in just his first two seasons.

He hasn't played great in his first two seasons by any means, but to say he is bad is blind homer ignorance at it's finest.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sorry

I'll be good...

And don't you forget it!

 

[FirstTimer]

Not this chick. I'd take Sanchez...he's proven more clutch in 2 seasons than McNabb has in what 11, 12 years?

I think that's a rather dubious conclusion to reach about a guy that was a top 5-7 QB for many years in an incredibly tough city and went to 4 straight NFC Championship games and a SB.

Yeah, McNabb is obviously pretty much done now..but Sanchez hasn't even begun to approach McNabb's average career let alone peak as a player.

 

[Blick]

More confirmation that Cassel isn't good.

 

[Bear Pand]

Clearly you haven't watched the Jets in the playoffs the past 2 seasons, nor notice that he has played very well against great teams in the progress of claiming 4 road playoff wins in just his first two seasons.

He hasn't played great in his first two seasons by any means, but to say he is bad is blind homer ignorance at it's finest.

When I called him bad I was specifically referencing him being at the bottom of the PFF grades chart in the article.

article says it best though

Mark Sanchez may have plenty of playoff wins, but it should concern Jets fans that the reason he needs to win them on the road largely boils down to his play [in the reg season] (the rest of the team is as talented as any in the NFL).

 

[FirstTimer]

True. I don't want to take anything away from McNabb. He's a solid QB. I just think that Sanchez (as long as he stays on this course, and is surrounded by solid talent) has the opportunity to be pretty amazing. But if we're talking young QB's, with 3 years or less NFL, I have to go with Matt Ryan as my fave.

I guess it will boil down to semantics but I don't see Sanchez ever becoming an "amazing" QB. He will be a guy that on most lists floats around the 10-12 range at his peak. I'm not ready to start dissing McNabb to a certain extent at the propping up of Sanchez after Sanchez has had one sub par season and one average one. McNabb made 5 straight Pro Bowls and was arguably a Top 5 QB for stretches of his career. I don't see Sanchez ever achieving that. As it stands now Sanchez has the feel of a guy who will accomplish what he will as a pro mainly, but not solely, because of his team...where as IMO for much of his career McNabb more often than not was the main catalyst for the Eagles success.

And you had me at 'dubious'...

Don't tell your husband.

 

[Scikotic]

When I called him bad I was specifically referencing him being at the bottom of the PFF grades chart in the article.

article says it best though

Because 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives are what make defenses great, right?

Or maybe that falls more on the quarterback.

 

[1ke]

So Jay really ISNT that bad? Hmmmm

 

[Bear Pand]

Because 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives are what make defenses great, right?

Or maybe that falls more on the quarterback.

Why is your boy at the bottom of the chart? Statistically he's one of the worst in the league when under pressure.

He's lucky he has one of the best defenses in the league opposite of him, a consistent rushing attack and a solid offensive line.

You can try to angle, spin and do whatever...he's not there yet. Be happy he's young and still has time.

and lol at calling me a homer, through 3 games against the team I root for Sanchez is 47-80 552 3 sacks 2 td 2 int. Like I have reason to go out of my way and hate on him.

 

[Primetime]

^'Amazing' is stretching it...my bad...I mean, let's face it, he'll certainly never be at the top as long as Rodgers is in the game
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He'll just be glad I found somewhere else to talk about football so he doesn't have to hear me warble on about it.

Sounds like your husband needs a fresh pair of testicles.

 

[Scikotic]

Why is your boy at the bottom of the chart? Statistically he's one of the worst in the league when under pressure.

He's lucky he has one of the best defenses in the league opposite of him, a consistent rushing attack and a solid offensive line.

You can try to angle, spin and do whatever...he's not there yet. Be happy he's young and still has time.

and lol at calling me a homer, through 3 games against the team I root for Sanchez is 47-80 552 3 sacks 2 td 2 int. Like I have reason to go out of my way and hate on him.

Spin what? I never said the guy was awesome by any stretch. On the contrast, you said he was bad but all your basing this on is Sanchez's completion % when under pressure. That's precisely what skews their overall pressure ratings, as he scored positively in the other categories. If you're going to put all your chips on that one statistic, that's your prerogative.

Yes, under pressure he had a bit of a tough year for a completion % standpoint, but it's not as clear cut as you think. He had a good year avoiding the pressure when it did get to him, and he makes good decisions taking care of the ball for the most part, evident by his + TD/INT ratio when under pressure. Sure his completion % is extremely low, but if you watch any Jets games, you know that's because when he's pressured he tends to throw the ball away or take a shot deep for the one-on-one matchup, which is a low percentage throw.

You can say the Jets defense makes Sanchez look good, but as a young QB who has been to the playoffs twice, won 4 road games, and has made it to the AFCCG two years in a row in his young career, I'm content with where he is at in his maturation. I'd say a lifetime playoff statline of 9 TDs vs. 3 INTs is pretty damn good. How he plays under playoff pressure is my main interest, and so far he's passing with flying colors in that regard.

Freeman is still better at this point in his career. For all you Bucs fans....