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Questioning the NFL's Drug Testing Program

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Here is the article from Deadspin today outlining the Josh Gordon situation.

http://deadspin.com/report-nfl-drug...ource=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk has some very interesting details***about Josh Gordon's failed marijuana test that has him facing a full-season suspension. And if it's true, the NFL's drug testing procedure is more messed up than we could have imagined—and Josh Gordon doesn't deserve a suspension.

Gordon's appeal of his 16-game suspension, which is scheduled to be heard on Friday, will reportedly hinge on inconsistencies in measurement of his urine sample, which was split into two containers.***Florio:

Urine samples routinely are split into two bottles, the "A" bottle and the "B" bottle. If the "A" bottle generates a positive result, the "B" bottle is tested. Amazingly, the "B" bottle doesn't have to independently show a violation. Instead, the substance abuse policy states that the "'B' bottle Test need only show that the substance, revealed in the 'A' bottle Test, is evident to the 'limits of detection' to confirm the results of the 'A' bottle Test."

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For Gordon, the "A" bottle showed a concentration of 16 ng/ml, only one nanogram per milliliter above the limits of 15. The "B" bottle showed a concentration of 13.6 ng/ml — less than the threshold.

To emphasize, Gordon's "A" and "B" bottles came from the same urine sample. The "B" was only tested to confirm that the "A" wasn't tainted or wildly out of bounds—it doesn't matter that the "B" wouldn't have been a violation had it arbitrarily been labeled the "A" bottle, or that there was a sizable discrepancy between the two tested bottles. It's tough shit for Josh Gordon, despite the fact that his urine averaged out to be below allowable limits.

But, this is how the NFL's Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse (the renegotiation of which has more or less been going on for three years) dictates testing should go. It's the same document that mandated Gordon, a repeat offender, be tested***every few days.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Gordon landed in Stage III of the program last year as part of a negotiated two-game suspension for the use of cough syrup that contained codeine. Once in Stage III, a player never leaves. And he must pass up to 10 drug tests per month.

According to the source, Gordon has passed at least 70 drug tests.

The NFL's marijuana policy is a retrograde embarrassment. It's not technically on appeal here, in what sounds like a pretty strong case for Josh Gordon, but maybe it should be.

Update:***Per ESPN's Adam Schefter,***Gordon's appeal will also maintain that his drug test was so marginally positive that it could have been the result of second-hand smoke.

Update No. 2:***Bomani Jones has a different way to look at how screwed up the NFL's policy on marijuana is:


Whether or not you believe Florio and another one of his conspiracy theory laden pieces is up to you. If the claims are true then its another example some BS being pulled. For more examples look at Robert Mathis

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tired of reading and here about it. Pretty stupid WORLD Anti Doping agency has a higher limit than the NFL. NFL please get with the time weed doesnt make the league look bad. Poeple beating the shit out of there wife does.
 
tired of reading and here about it. Pretty stupid WORLD Anti Doping agency has a higher limit than the NFL. NFL please get with the time weed doesnt make the league look bad. Poeple beating the shit out of there wife does.

Who "beat the shit out of their wife?"
 
If only they had warned him prior to getting the job that smoking weed could cause a suspension... oh wait...

Don't care whether or not anyone believes weed should be legal (I agree, it should), but if your employer says you cannot smoke it... you cannot fucking smoke it.
 
If you are an alcoholic, is it OK for you to drink just a little bit?

People who land in the program have a serious problem. If you have a million dollar career & you are willing to blow it just to get high, you have a problem. The object (should be) of the program is not to punish. It's to get the patient to overcome his addiction. They can't be around the stuff if its smokeable. Even if its drinkable, they probably shouldn't sniff it. The fact that Gordon knows he's getting tested 10 times a month & still can't stay clear of it shows how serious his problem is. The fault doesn't lie w/the amount that triggers suspension. The fault is Gordon couldn't keep himself from even getting close to suspension.
 
One other thing that should be pointed out. Gordon didn't come up positive for weed once & get a year. He failed multiple tests. He used up his equity. I've been hearing over & over how the NFL punishment for illegal drugs is greater than for domestic violence. This was the 1st time Ray Rice did anything that smelled of bad PR. His wife said it was the 1st time he laid hands on her. She admitted to Goodell that she should take some of the blame. The authorities did nothing to either of them.

Yet, Ray still got 2 games.

How can anyone claim the NFL treats drug offenses worse than domestic violence?
 
Okay. That's fine, but you do understand the public isn't a fucking robot right? Weed, despite its legality, never plays as bad as dragging a woman by her hair, on camera.

So yes, I think that it's arguable that the NFL punishes drugs more than domestic violence, despite your weirdly black and white view point.

I never imagined that we would be in a world where people would be borderline defending Rice's actions.
 
The biggest issue is that players 1st (and maybe second) substance violation is withheld from the public. It isn't until they fail enough times to get suspended that it comes out. DV is front page news for 1st incident.

If Rice had been in 3 incidents of the same nature he would be in big trouble.

Anyways.... Placing the blame on the NFL is silly since conduct is a part of the CBA and was bargained for by the players association.

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The biggest issue is that players 1st (and maybe second) substance violation is withheld from the public. It isn't until they fail enough times to get suspended that it comes out. DV is front page news for 1st incident.

If Rice had been in 3 incidents of the same nature he would be in big trouble.

Anyways.... Placing the blame on the NFL is silly since conduct is a part of the CBA and was bargained for by the players association.

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The first time you get caught in the NFL you get suspended 4 games, second time 8 games, 3rd time an entire season. So your "until they fail enough times" theory doesn't quite make sense.

And the part of the CBA that was bargained was performance enhancing substances and illegal substances. Situations like Big Bens and Ray Rice doesn't have any reference in the CBA and is up for debate between Roger Goodell, the NFLPA, and other NFL officials.

Mr. Adolpho Birch explains the latter here: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/ray-rice-adolpho-birch-mike-and-mike-suspension
 
The first time you get caught in the NFL you get suspended 4 games, second time 8 games, 3rd time an entire season. So your "until they fail enough times" theory doesn't quite make sense.

And the part of the CBA that was bargained was performance enhancing substances and illegal substances. Situations like Big Bens and Ray Rice doesn't have any reference in the CBA and is up for debate between Roger Goodell, the NFLPA, and other NFL officials.

Mr. Adolpho Birch explains the latter here: http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/ray-rice-adolpho-birch-mike-and-mike-suspension

Did they change that recently? Then how are players already in the substance abuse program before their first failed test????

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Did they change that recently? Then how are players already in the substance abuse program before their first failed test????

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Ok nevermind, I'll admit to being wrong. I would remove my groan but I can't.

First time violators don't get suspended but everytime thereafter you do.

Lavon Brazille got 4 games on his 2nd violation and now has a year suspension.

The 2nd part of what I said about Big Ben and Ray Rice's situation not being collectively bargained is obviously true per the video.
 
The NFL is on the wrong side of this issue even though they are 100% within their rights to enforce it how they did. I think it is more that the majority of the public is no longer in agreement. Josh Gordon, however idiotic he might have been by continuing to smoke marijuana when he knew he was under scrutiny, was doing something that is legal with a prescription in almost half (23 states) of the country. It's also clarified as a PED, which is absolutely ridiculous. Anybody that has ever smoked marijuana knows that the last thing it does is make you bigger, faster or stronger than you are without it.

Contrast those draconian policies on marijuana against domestic violence. Ray Rice was seen by witnesses as uppercutting his fiance (now wife) with such force that he knocked her out cold and only gets 2 games? It seemed to me looking at his wife's expressions during the press conference that she basically said after the incident, "you are going to marry me without a pre-nup and put a few million dollars in assets in my name or I will ruin your ass by giving interviews to every news outlet in the country anytime your name comes up in the future". Good for her if that's the way she wants to lead her life but I feel fairly safe in saying old Ray Ray will knock her out again in the future.
 
Okay. That's fine, but you do understand the public isn't a fucking robot right? Weed, despite its legality, never plays as bad as dragging a woman by her hair, on camera.

So yes, I think that it's arguable that the NFL punishes drugs more than domestic violence, despite your weirdly black and white view point.

I never imagined that we would be in a world where people would be borderline defending Rice's actions.

I don't see how in the world my opinion could in anyway be construed as coming close to defending Rice hitting his wife. I think Rice should be punished. And so should his wife. By the Vegas authorities. Not the NFL. I've said over & over the NFL should not be policing off the field conduct. None of the leagues should. As much as I hated Sterling's racist bigoted, slave owner mentality, I didn't think the NBA should've banished him for what he said.

The leagues should be policing on the field matters. What goes on in the locker room. Not what people do in their private lives. I think, for once, Goodell leveled a fair penalty in view of how he has handled his biz in the past. Which has been terrible. The people folks should be chasing around w/pitchforks are the Vegas decision makers who have the evidence clearly on tape & didn't send anyone to jail.

And I thought the Rodney King jury was a bunch of idiots.
 
The NFL is on the wrong side of this issue even though they are 100% within their rights to enforce it how they did. I think it is more that the majority of the public is no longer in agreement. Josh Gordon, however idiotic he might have been by continuing to smoke marijuana when he knew he was under scrutiny, was doing something that is legal with a prescription in almost half (23 states) of the country. It's also clarified as a PED, which is absolutely ridiculous. Anybody that has ever smoked marijuana knows that the last thing it does is make you bigger, faster or stronger than you are without it.

Contrast those draconian policies on marijuana against domestic violence. Ray Rice was seen by witnesses as uppercutting his fiance (now wife) with such force that he knocked her out cold and only gets 2 games? It seemed to me looking at his wife's expressions during the press conference that she basically said after the incident, "you are going to marry me without a pre-nup and put a few million dollars in assets in my name or I will ruin your ass by giving interviews to every news outlet in the country anytime your name comes up in the future". Good for her if that's the way she wants to lead her life but I feel fairly safe in saying old Ray Ray will knock her out again in the future.
Maybe it is legal w/a prescription. But did Gordon have a prescription? If he doesn't, then what he did was still illegal. And let's face it. Only 1% of the people w/legal prescriptions are actually smoking because of a legitimate medical need. The rest are doing it just for fun.

I will agree calling it a PED is pushing it. And acknowledge Ray Rice's wife may have ulterior motives coloring her defense of his actions. Time will tell on that end.
 
I don't see how in the world my opinion could in anyway be construed as coming close to defending Rice hitting his wife. I think Rice should be punished. And so should his wife. By the Vegas authorities. Not the NFL. I've said over & over the NFL should not be policing off the field conduct. None of the leagues should. As much as I hated Sterling's racist bigoted, slave owner mentality, I didn't think the NBA should've banished him for what he said.

The leagues should be policing on the field matters. What goes on in the locker room. Not what people do in their private lives. I think, for once, Goodell leveled a fair penalty in view of how he has handled his biz in the past. Which has been terrible. The people folks should be chasing around w/pitchforks are the Vegas decision makers who have the evidence clearly on tape & didn't send anyone to jail.

And I thought the Rodney King jury was a bunch of idiots.

You would be a great NFL Commissioner. The league's popularity would reach new heights under your regime.

Why do you think the NFL should not be policing off the field conduct?
 
You HAVE to police off field conduct. Its about image... It happens in the real world as well.

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