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Rafael Palmeiro: Hall of Famer?

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Statistically, he's probably a no-doubter despite never being truly dominant. Though he never finished higher than 5th in an MVP vote, his bulk stats pass the "benchmarks" that the BBWA uses: 3,020 hits and 569 home runs (12th all time). So with those numbers, he'd probably get in easily.

This one comes down to personal beliefs though. Would you vote in a known steroid user?

I say no, and I suspect the writers do the same. Fuck Raffy and fuck the rest of them ... But for the sake of debate, would you vote him in to the Hall? Included multiple no votes in case you don't like his resume enough, anyway.
 
Honestly I don't feel Palmerio was ever a dominant player of his era. I'm sick of these guys sliding into the Hall based on numbers they accumulated because they played for ages. I find it hard to believe that opposing teams ever sincerely worried about Raffy on a daily basis
 
Yeah, Palmerio's black ink number is laughable. He never led the league in anything, aside from one or two seasons where he led in doubles.
 
North said:
I appreciate your hard line on this, but will it be so easy for you to call when it comes to Bonds? I suspect the answer is yes.
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Bonds is an interesting case and a bit different than Raffy. Bonds was a HOF'er before he went all Baroid in San Fran. Raffy didn't do a thing until he went to Texas which was juicer central at the time.

Raffy's entire career and HOF resume is in question.

Bonds, while a complete assbag, based on his 86-99 career was a lock for the HOF. Baroid started in 2000 and it was really obvious.

The two situations aren't really the same IMO.
 
Bonds was a feared hitter long before he started slugging 60 homers a year.

Apparently my criteria for being a hall of famer is solely how scary you were in a lineup. Thank god I don't have a vote.
 
I would vote no. he was a consistent player forever but like others said was not a standout all star IMO. The fact that he totally got caught lying just destroys his character. I think most voters will not vote him in. What a fool. Did he really need the roids???? He seems like such a natural hitter....I guess age caught up to him.

I would put bags in over this guy if you had to choose.
 
No. As an orioles fan I wouldn't want him in to tarnish the legacy of current Orioles Hofer's like Ripken, Brooks Robinson, Palmer ETC. He juiced got caught and lied about it... what a dumbass.
 
Warner2BruceTD said:
I'm going to wait for Lefty to weigh in. Then, I'm going to take the opposite stance, and call him a nerd.
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"Palmeiro's UZR rating is much lower than Mike Bordick's, and his range factor is even worse than Derek Jeter's! The fact that we are even discussing this is insulting to my intellect."
 
No.

He was never among the elite players of the game. The ass-making of himself at the end of his career doesn't help him, either.
 
No, but mostly based on the fact he was never a game changing player, he just did his thing and played for so long his stats added up.
 
North said:
I appreciate your hard line on this, but will it be so easy for you to call when it comes to Bonds? I suspect the answer is yes.
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For some of the HOF voters, guys like Bonds, ARod, McGwire, Clemens, etc., will never get their vote for their steroids/potential GH use. Right or wrong, whomever decides to go that way, I hope they are that harsh with every candidate.
 
LOL at all of you who would keep out a 3000-hit, 569-HR guy out of the Hall of Fame "because he was never an elite player". A guy who can hit for power and average over a very long period of time is a Hall of Famer. Many of baseball's elite players don't get into the Hall (Dale Murphy, Dwight Gooden, Don Mattingly, etc.), so I don't think thats really a factor.

In sum, if you are keeping Ralphie out of the Hall, its due to his steroid use. There is no other factor.
 
The fact that he was able to stay in the majors that long and be that productive should put him in the hall of fame. He might not have been the best in any one season but the body of work over his career is impressive.
 
I'd put him in the hall over Bagwell.... but he won't get in because of lying in front of congress. And for bad Viagra commercials.
 
mcstl25 said:
I'd put him in the hall over Bagwell.... but he won't get in because of lying in front of congress. And for bad Viagra commercials.
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Let me get this straight ... you would put Palmeiro in the HOF with his 4 all-star appearances, 0 MVPs and 1 top-5 MVP finish ... but not Bagwell?

God damn.
 
The guy had more than 100 home runs and 500 hits compared to Bagwell. 3,000 hits and 500+ home runs make up for the lack of all-star game appearances and MVP votes.

For the record, I never said Palmeiro deserved to be in the hall, I said that I'd vote for him over Bagwell.
 
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