Sin Cara Failed WWE Wellness Test, Suspended 30 Days

[dave]

Gabriel's 450 was awesome, sucks he has no charisma so they won't push him.

I don't know that charisma is his issue. I think it's that he's badly miscast as a heel. He needs to shave the beard and become a face that women and kids like.
Btw, no homo.

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't know that charisma is his issue. I think it's that he's badly miscast as a heel. He needs to shave the beard and become a face that women and kids like.
Btw, no homo.

You need some discernible charisma to be a face. For the past year, he's shown none.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I agree with dave. Gabriel is miscast. He used to get those shrieks from the girls on NXT. His charisma comes from his boyish charm, he's hardly believable as a dasterdly heel.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Has Gabriel ever been a "heel" though? Not really, IMO. He's just been a follower who gets clumped with heels. He never talks, never does anything really heelish. Just comes in, hits his 450 to end a match or a beat down and thats it.

I think Gabriel, Slater, Barrett are all about ready to get some singles burn for the better. Then in Punk's NXT, Hennig and Otunga will probably be paired with someone else as a tag team and Batista Jr. will get paired as someone else's muscle.

Most of these guys would greatly benefit from an ECW brand.

I actually miss the WWE's ECW brand, or that third brand in general...it gave these young guys a nice transition spot from FCW/Indies to the WWE roster all while giving the WWE audience a chance to get acclimated with them properly in their environment.

Lots of the young, top guys, were stars of that brand...and it worked out for the best for them. Miz, Punk, Morrison, Kofi, etc. That would be a great place for Gabriel, Slater, Hennig, Ryder, Otunga, Batista Jr., Hawkins, etc.

 

[EmpireWF]

Batista Jr. is injured and won't be back for awhile.

 

[dave]

I agree with dave. Gabriel is miscast. He used to get those shrieks from the girls on NXT. His charisma comes from his boyish charm, he's hardly believable as a dasterdly heel.

Exactly.
Gabriel has the kind of look that teenage girls would love. And he has the in-ring skills to be in a better place than he's currently at. Even if he doesn't have upper-tier mic skills, the WWE could do a better job with him than they are. I'm not saying he's Ricky Steamboat (he's not) but certain guys are not meant to be heels.

Again, no homo.

 

[dave]

He's different and fresh, he's good to me.

I have no problem with Sin Cara, but he's neither new nor fresh. He's Rey Mysterio 15 years ago.
But I hope he rebounds, he's fun to watch.

 

[EmpireWF]

I have no problem with Sin Cara, but he's neither new nor fresh. He's Rey Mysterio 15 years ago.
But I hope he rebounds, he's fun to watch.

Since Mysterio 15 years ago stopped being fresh around 1998-99 (not saying he's been bad since then...but injuries take their toll).

 

[dave]

Since Mysterio 15 years ago stopped being fresh around 1998-99 (not saying he's been bad since then...but injuries take their toll).

I think people are too hard on Mysterio. You can't be a spot monkey for 20 years - physically impossible. He makes kids happy and does his job.

 

[EmpireWF]

I think people are too hard on Mysterio. You can't be a spot monkey for 20 years - physically impossible. He makes kids happy and does his job.

All things considered, he's gotten a lot out of his body. Probably should have taken a long time off years ago to get whatever surgeries he has needed but they would always ask him to stay because the roster depth was shit.

Which is no doubt one of the reasons why they went out of their way to bring in Mistico. And of course, that has not worked out like they thought it would.

 

[dave]

All things considered, he's gotten a lot out of his body. Probably should have taken a long time off years ago to get whatever surgeries he has needed but they would always ask him to stay because the roster depth was shit.

Which is no doubt one of the reasons why they went out of their way to bring in Mistico. And of course, that has not worked out like they thought it would.

IMO, Sin Cara's biggest issue is not knowing the language. Kids and some adults can relate to Rey because he can fucking speak to them. You have to know fucking English to make it in the WWE, unless you're Goldberg and get by with a look and two words.

 

[EmpireWF]

IMO, Sin Cara's biggest issue is not knowing the language. Kids and some adults can relate to Rey because he can fucking speak to them. You have to know fucking English to make it in the WWE, unless you're Goldberg and get by with a look and two words.

Yep.

I'm curious to know what their plan was for him since he doesn't know the language. Perhaps he was taking classes or whatever but it takes longer than a few months to become comfortable speaking on national TV.

Sin Cara could be fine working his matches and getting pops for doing his flips....but at some point he was going to need to talk.

 

[dave]

Yep.

I'm curious to know what their plan was for him since he doesn't know the language. Perhaps he was taking classes or whatever but it takes longer than a few months to become comfortable speaking on national TV.

Sin Cara could be fine working his matches and getting pops for doing his flips....but at some point he was going to need to talk.

I'm not sure why he didn't know this himself. If you want to make it big in the WWE you have to know English. He doesn't have to be Arn Anderson on the mic, but he has to communicate with the audience.
I suspect it's a big reason why the WWE has given up on him so quickly (that, and the fact that 95% of their roster has no clue how to work with him).

 

[EmpireWF]

I haven't seen much of his SD run the past month, has it been that bad?

I know Chavo fucked up before he was let go, but that was on Chavo.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I have no problem with Sin Cara, but he's neither new nor fresh. He's Rey Mysterio 15 years ago.
But I hope he rebounds, he's fun to watch.

I get what you are saying, but please don't disrespect Mysterio by saying this guy is in the same galaxy as him from 15 years ago.

Mysterio was a dynamic, unique, ultra charasmatic performer who was able to get over instantly in front of any crowd in the world.

Mistico is a guy they brought in based on being a mega draw in 2006 in a completely different culture. He was right place, right time in 2006. He appealed to Mexican children. That appeal was incredible, but it was short lived and segmented. He doesnt have a tenth of the Rey Mysterio Jr 1994-1996 charisma.

IMO, Sin Cara's biggest issue is not knowing the language. Kids and some adults can relate to Rey because he can fucking speak to them. You have to know fucking English to make it in the WWE, unless you're Goldberg and get by with a look and two words.

Yep.

I'm curious to know what their plan was for him since he doesn't know the language. Perhaps he was taking classes or whatever but it takes longer than a few months to become comfortable speaking on national TV.

Sin Cara could be fine working his matches and getting pops for doing his flips....but at some point he was going to need to talk.

I'm not sure why he didn't know this himself. If you want to make it big in the WWE you have to know English. He doesn't have to be Arn Anderson on the mic, but he has to communicate with the audience.
I suspect it's a big reason why the WWE has given up on him so quickly (that, and the fact that 95% of their roster has no clue how to work with him).

Total bullshit.

I can name dozens of guys who have gotten over HUGE in the WWE without ever saying a word.

Rey Mysterio Jr got over everywhere without cutting a single promo.

These are all excuses. Sin Cara flopped because they overrated and misjudged Mistico's charisma. Plain & simple. You can pluck 20 different guys out of Mexico right now and stick them in the same outfit and nobody would know the difference. Try that shit with Rey 15 years ago. That;s the difference.

 

[EmpireWF]

Total bullshit.

I can name dozens of guys who have gotten over HUGE in the WWE without ever saying a word.

Rey Mysterio Jr got over everywhere without cutting a single promo.

These are all excuses. Sin Cara flopped because they overrated and misjudged Mistico's charisma. Plain & simple. You can pluck 20 different guys out of Mexico right now and stick them in the same outfit and nobody would know the difference. Try that shit with Rey 15 years ago. That;s the difference.

Obviously, Mysterio was a revolutionary guy when he made his name in the 90s.

That's one of the reasons why he was able to blow up like he did. Because the ECW crowd (to a degree) and the generic ass WCW crowd never saw anything like it. Mysterio didn't get over in 2002 WWE because he was strictly a high flyer but because of the name and he did enough flying shit to become the superover babyface. Plus, he could talk for himself which definitely helps in WWF.

Comparing him to Mistico strictly as the one luchador on the WWE roster.

But in WWE, who gets over huge without saying a word and without being able to use facial expressions?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Obviously, Mysterio was a revolutionary guy when he made his name in the 90s.

That's one of the reasons why he was able to blow up like he did. Because the ECW crowd (to a degree) and the generic ass WCW crowd never saw anything like it. Mysterio didn't get over in 2002 WWE because he was strictly a high flyer but because of the name and he did enough flying shit to become the superover babyface. Plus, he could talk for himself which definitely helps in WWF.

Comparing him to Mistico strictly as the one luchador on the WWE roster.

But in WWE, who gets over huge without saying a word and without being able to use facial expressions?

You asked me that once and I posted pictures of like 20 guys.

Besides, Sin Cara not talking actually helped him IMO. His character was supposed to be mysterious. It would totally kill his aura to have him speak in some squeeky voice in broken english. Better off staying silent, but again, he isnt charasmatic enough to pull it off.

 

[EmpireWF]

You asked me that once and I posted pictures of like 20 guys.

Besides, Sin Cara not talking actually helped him IMO. His character was supposed to be mysterious. It would totally kill his aura to have him speak in some squeeky voice in broken english. Better off staying silent, but again, he isnt charasmatic enough to pull it off.

I just thought of Kane but it helps to be 7' and damn near 300 pounds with the storyline they had for him. Was fucking gold.

 

[dave]

I can name dozens of guys who have gotten over HUGE in the WWE without ever saying a word.

Name one.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Name one.