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So... about Eli and not having Plax...

^^^It is impossible to put these numbers up in our stadium during nov/dec.. Every QB says that the swirling winds affect the quarterback so much in NJ...

Phil Simms would have easily been a HOFer if he wasn't a Giant.
 
^^^It is impossible to put these numbers up in our stadium during nov/dec.. Every QB says that the swirling winds affect the quarterback so much in NJ...

Phil Simms would have easily been a HOFer if he wasn't a Giant.

agreed. people may think that the wind in the meadowlands is overblown but once your there field level at giants stadium in december with 20+mph winds you quickly understand it is not, even if theres just a slight wind outside it gets magnified times 100 with the open tunnel in the one endzone. worst game i ever went to was two years ago against the redskins. had tickets in the tunnel endzone, probably about 20 rows up from the field. it was a sunday night game and it was a good 30 degrees outside but the wind was upwards of 40 mph. when a team was down by the tunnel you could literally watch the ball get pushed 10 yards to the left or right due to the wind when someone threw a pass.
 
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Eli has always been a great QB in weeks 1-8. He usually falls off around midseason. Until we see otherwise I'm keeping him a notch below the top 5.
 
^^I'm satisfied with a 6-10 quarterback in the league.. I would say that's a solid area to place him in.

However, if there's 2 minutes left and I need a game-winning drive, I think I would take Elijah over anyone else in the league.
 
^^I'm satisfied with a 6-10 quarterback in the league.. I would say that's a solid area to place him in.

However, if there's 2 minutes left and I need a game-winning drive, I think I would take Elijah over anyone else in the league.

Erm, no....I'd take Big Bro, Roethlisberger or Brady in a tight game before I even thought of Eli's name. I don't dislike Eli, I'm just being realistic.
 
^^^cosign to the fullest... Plex's game against the Packers was the best game I can remember a Giant WR having.. He was unbelievable, if you have the tape watch it again.. Wow just thinking about the Giants superbowl run is getting me pumped, every game besides the Bucs was a phenomenol game.. Going into big D after going 0-2 against them during the season and then Green Bay 0 degrees in a game we dominated and almost lost.. geez im getting goosebumps

That was an incredible run. People want to hang the loss on Favre for the OT pick but if the Giants kicker could have converted one of his attempts in the 4th quarter, the real story of the game was that Plax had a career day against 2 of the best CB's in the league on the road in subzero temperatures. Eli had to make the throws but Plax was making sick catches all day long.
 
^^I'm satisfied with a 6-10 quarterback in the league.. I would say that's a solid area to place him in.

However, if there's 2 minutes left and I need a game-winning drive, I think I would take Elijah over anyone else in the league.

You serious right now? The homerism is ridiculous right now.
 
yeah I'm fucking serious, obviously Peyton and Brady are at the top of the league and pretty much would win in that situation aswell; but Eli, I've seen every game he's played and he is at his absolute best during the last two minutes..
 
In his 82 career starts, including the playoffs, Manning has rallied the Giants out of a fourth-quarter hole to either take the lead or tie the game an amazing 18 times. Thirteen times the comeback has resulted in a win.



LIST OF 4TH QUARTER COMEBACKS BY ELI


2004 SEASON

Jan. 2 (2005) - Giants 28, Dallas 24. Giants trail 24-21 with 11 seconds remaining when Manning, then a rookie, famously audibles out of a doomed pass play into a Tiki Barber run. Barber goes three yards up the middle for a touchdown and Manning’s first win.

2005 SEASON

Oct. 16 - Cowboys 16, Giants 13. Manning leads the Giants down the field for a game-tying touchdown with 19 seconds left in regulation (one drive after Brandon Jacobs fumbled at the Dallas 1). Cowboys go on to win in OT on a 45-yard field goal by Jose Cortez

Oct. 23 - Giants 24, Broncos 23. Maybe his most famous regular-season comeback. Down 13 with 13 minutes left, Manning rallies the Giants and eventually hits Amani Toomer with a game-winning touchdown with 5 seconds to go.

Nov. 13 – Vikings 24, Giants 21. Manning overcomes ugly, four-interception day by leading a touchdown drive (and two-point conversion) to tie the game with 1:21 remaining. But defense falls apart and Vikings deservedly win on a 48-yard field goal with 10 seconds left.

Nov. 27 – Seattle 24, Giants 21. This should’ve been a win. Down 21-13 with 4:33 remaining, Manning leads Giants to a tie on a touchdown pass (and two-point conversion) with 1:59 left). He also sets up three ensuing Jay Feely field goal tries (40 at the end of regulation, and 54 and 45 in OT) but Feely misses them all.

2006 SEASON

Sept. 17 – Giants 30, Eagles 24. Trailng 24-7 entering the fourth quarter, Manning engineers his biggest rally in his best game (31 for 45, 371 yards, three TDs), tying the game with a field goal drive in the final seconds. He won it on a a 31-yard pass to Plaxico Burress late in OT with two Eagles defenders about to hit him on a blitz.

Nov. 5 – Giants 14, Texans 10. Not very dramatic, but the Giants did trail 10-7 entering the fourth quarter. The game-winner was a TD pass to Jeremy Shockey with 7:49 to go.

Dec. 3 – Cowboys 23, Giants 20. The Giants are down by a touchdown in the final minutes, but Manning rallies and hits Burress with a 5-yard TD pass with 1:06 remaining. Unfortunately, Cowboys K Martin Gramatica wins it with one second to spare.

Jan. 7 (2007) – Eagles 23, Giants 20. Trailing 20-13, the Giants overcame a 2nd-and-30 and Manning ended up tying the game with an 11-yard TD pass to Burress with 5:04 left. Of course, the defense couldn’t hold and K David Akers eliminated the Giants from the playoffs as time expired.

2007 SEASON

Sept. 23 – Giants 24, Redskins 17. The Giants trail 17-10 as the fourth quarter begins, but score twice in the final 12:33, including a 33-yard TD to Burress with 5:32 remaining. Of course, the defense saves everyone with a last-second goal-line stand.

Oct. 7 – Giants 35, Jets 24. Giants trail by a field goal entering the fourth, but take the lead on a 47-yard catch-and-run by Burress. They put the Jets away for good on Aaron Ross’ interception return for a touchdown with 3:15 to play.

Dec. 2 – Giants 21, Bears 16. With their season slipping away, the Giants trail 16-7 before scoring twice in the final 6:54. The game-winning 2-yard run by Reuben Droughns (set up by a brilliant pass to Burress) comes with 1:33 remaining.

Dec. 23 – Giants 38, Bills 21. Technically this goes in Manning’s column, though he had little to do with it on a day he fumbled five times. The Giants did trail 21-17 in the fourth, though, before two interception returns for touchdowns and an 88-yard TD run by Ahmad Bradshaw made it a blowout.

Jan. 13 (2008) – Giants 21, Cowboys 17. It was a fourth-quarter comeback, but only barely. The Giants trailed 17-14 before a Brandon Jacobs’ on-yard touchdown run, 2:24 into the fourth quarter put them up for good. Manning’s best moment was a touchdown drive in the final seconds of the first half. And don’t forget R.W. McQuarters’ game-ending INT to seal the deal.

Feb. 3 (2008) – Giants 17, Patriots 14. Down 14-10 with 2:39 to go against the undefeated New England Patriots, Manning calmly jogged out onto the … oh, you know the rest.

2008 SEASON

Sept. 21 – Giants 26, Bengals 23. Down 20-16 with 4:39 left, Manning leads them to a go-ahead TD to Kevin Boss with 1:50 left. The Bengals rally to kick a FG at the end of regulation, but Manning connects on a couple of big passes to set up the game-winning field goal in OT.

Week 16 - Giants 34, Panthers 28. New York tied the game with 3:24 remaining as Jacobs scored on a one yard touchdown run, after starting the drive in Panther territory. The Giants converted the two point conversion on a pass from Manning to Domenik Hixon. They ended up winning in Overtime.

2009 SEASON

Sept. 21 - Giants 33, Cowboys 31. The Cowboys took a one-point lead with 3:40 left, but Eli Manning connected on 7 of 9 passes for 64 yards to drive the Giants within range for Tynes' winning field goal with no time remaining.
 
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Eli looks great because of lack of parity in the NFL....

Yes, that was a joke.


Eli is the real deal. It's been fun watching the Giants since he came aboard.
 
In his 82 career starts, including the playoffs, Manning has rallied the Giants out of a fourth-quarter hole to either take the lead or tie the game an amazing 18 times. Thirteen times the comeback has resulted in a win.

Some of the "comebacks" you listed are absurd. Not every time a team comes back to win is it a comeback for the QB.

That said, I do like Manning. I just think if I'm looking to put the ball in the hands of someone to orchestrate a real 4th quarter comeback, I'm looking to Big Ben, Brady or Peyton first.

This is a pretty interesting article that I skimmed through recently, that I'm sure someone will rip to shreds in no time (most likely Senser).

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3401
 
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Eli is very good in the clutch...

Don't think anyone is more clutch these days then Big Ben with the game hanging in the balance, though. Peyton's great in regular season clutch play, Brady is the MAN at being clutch in any situation as well..
 
Eli is very good in the clutch...

Don't think anyone is more clutch these days then Big Ben with the game hanging in the balance, though. Peyton's great in regular season clutch play, Brady is the MAN at being clutch in any situation as well..

Big Ben is probably my favorite player, but the difference between him and Peyton is that Big Ben digs his own holes that he has to come back from way more often than Peyton does.
 
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