So Now We Have Tattoos In Madden?!?

[Golden Taters]

http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/5/5782540/madden-nfl-15-tattoos-returning-colin-kaepernick

 

[SethMode]

It's just hilarious that EA has put no effort into improving player models the past 5+ years. The tattoos would be nice and there really is no excuse to not have them when you'd only be able to see the tattoos on their arms anyways. The detail 2K has with their player model tats is extraordinary and yet EA only has the time to half ass ONE dude's tats. :smh:

This is really it. Trying to spin this as some sort of "Well, maybe they just never did it because of the legal ramifications" is total bs EA ballwashing. They didn't do it because they're making football games, and football is basically the only sport where the developer can get away with half-assing it for half a decade on player models. And if it's something that can be half-assed, Madden will find a way to half-ass it.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

This is really it. Trying to spin this as some sort of "Well, maybe they just never did it because of the legal ramifications" is total bs EA ballwashing. They didn't do it because they're making football games, and football is basically the only sport where the developer can get away with half-assing it for half a decade on player models. And if it's something that can be half-assed, Madden will find a way to half-ass it.

Competition. Even the semblance of competition kept 2K thinking and trying to innovate. That's my worry with MLB The Show with 2K out of the picture. If the rumors that EA wants to start making MVP again aren't true, we could see the same thing begin to happen with The Show that we see with Madden.

 

[buckeye]

This is really it. Trying to spin this as some sort of "Well, maybe they just never did it because of the legal ramifications" is total bs EA ballwashing. They didn't do it because they're making football games, and football is basically the only sport where the developer can get away with half-assing it for half a decade on player models. And if it's something that can be half-assed, Madden will find a way to half-ass it.

So EA should just ignore the NFLPA contract that is written stating that tattoos have to be signed off from the artists in order to be able to be in the game?

Several articles came out about that yesterday, and confirmed by media outlets.

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[SethMode]

So EA should just ignore the NFLPA contract that is written stating that tattoos have to be signed off from the artists in order to be able to be in the game?

Several articles came out about that yesterday, and confirmed by media outlets.

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They can lean on whatever reason they want, that wasn't really my point. The NFLPA could have said "do whatever you want" and there still likely wouldn't be tattoos in the game, as it's a series notorious for having zero interest in improving their character models.

They can say it was the NFLPA, but that's just them being able to have a legit excuse for work they weren't going to bother with anyway.

 

[buckeye]

They can lean on whatever reason they want, that wasn't really my point. The NFLPA could have said "do whatever you want" and there still likely wouldn't be tattoos in the game, as it's a series notorious for having zero interest in improving their character models.

They can say it was the NFLPA, but that's just them being able to have a legit excuse for work they weren't going to bother with anyway.

There is no "they"... Even MLB has similar stipulations in place as discussed by one of their beat writers yesterday.

As far as overall player models... They will never be accurate. 3000+ players to model and a good portion of them want paid for their time when it comes to body scanning. Some won't do it at all.

Either way player models look pretty damn good between last year and this year on PS4/XB1. Hopefully we get to see more facial scans done. Not sure how many they got this past year but it seems to be a lot more. Would love to see the next contract with NFLPA mandate face/body scans every year or 2 for every player.

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[SethMode]

There is no "they"... Even MLB has similar stipulations in place as discussed by one of their beat writers yesterday.

As far as overall player models... They will never be accurate. 3000+ players to model and a good portion of them want paid for their time when it comes to body scanning. Some won't do it at all.

Either way player models look pretty damn good between last year and this year on PS4/XB1. Hopefully we get to see more facial scans done. Not sure how many they got this past year but it seems to be a lot more. Would love to see the next contract with NFLPA mandate face/body scans every year or 2 for every player.

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They in this scenario is EA, as is pretty clear in my post. I understand that you're an EA/Madden apologist, but even this is stretching it. Just remember, it's partially the apologists that we have to thank for a series that has grown remarkably stagnant.

 

[buckeye]

They in this scenario is EA, as is pretty clear in my post. I understand that you're an EA/Madden apologist, but even this is stretching it. Just remember, it's partially the apologists that we have to thank for a series that has grown remarkably stagnant.

Sorry I present factual information rather than my opinion. I forgot we are in the internet my bad....

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[j.hen]

:joker:

How is it not obvious that their excuse is bullshit? If their excuse was at all valid then there simply would be no player tattoos in NBA 2K for the same reason... And yet just about every player in the game has near perfectly replicated tattoos that the player really has. And the "Awh guys, come on, there are a lot of players in the league for them to scan" excuse doesn't really cut it anymore. It's 2014.

 

[Glenbino]

Maybe the 2K guys get every NBA player and their tattoo artist to sign a waiver? :kanye:

Even if that was the case, I don't know why players would be against signing such waiver because they felt the images were important enough to scar themselves for life with.

Nor do I see many tattoo artists declining a further national platform for their work.

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[buckeye]

Maybe the 2K guys get every NBA player and their tattoo artist to sign a waiver? :kanye:

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Its not a part of the players association contracts with developers. And no 2K doesn't because there are some player tattoos missing on players because artists specifically said no you cannot use my work.

If I can get some examples I will. That's what I was told from some 2K fans... Will double check.

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[Glenbino]

Its not a part of the players association contracts with developers.

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That makes sense. I think this is a bit overblown to make such a spectacle over one player having tattoos in the game.

Seems like a bit of a misdirection of resources, but I guess you and I already touched on that in here.

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[buckeye]

That makes sense. I think this is a bit overblown to make such a spectacle over one player having tattoos in the game.

Seems like a bit of a misdirection of resources, but I guess you and I already touched on that in here.

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I agree... People are going apeshit over it but at the end of the day I'm just glad some progress is made there and hopefully it adds incentive for other players to join in. That's all we can really hope for.

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[Golden Taters]

I just wish they could of added a few generic tattoos to choose from, would have gave more life to the generated draft classes.

 

[SethMode]

Sorry I present factual information rather than my opinion. I forgot we are in the internet my bad....

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Did I present information that wasn't factual? Did I blink and EA is suddenly making photorealistic models of players? Or hell, even players that look different from each other?

 

[SethMode]

I agree... People are going apeshit over it but at the end of the day I'm just glad some progress is made there and hopefully it adds incentive for other players to join in. That's all we can really hope for.

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I don't think anyone is going apeshit over the idea of tattoos per se...it's the fact the EA is woefully behind on character models, and tattoos are just one aspect of that.

 

[buckeye]

Did I present information that wasn't factual? Did I blink and EA is suddenly making photorealistic models of players? Or hell, even players that look different from each other?

I was talking about the tattoo stuff not the player models.

TBH I don't want the player models of NBA 2K. I would rather those in game assets be spent on gameplay and game modes personally.

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