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[CaribbeanJoseph]

They're betting I'll beat Overeem

:rofl:

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Boredum gonna lolsub Uberbum.

The look of disappoint on the faces of all ya'll are gonna be priceless. Please snap photos of your sad faces and post them after the card.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

Boredum gonna lolsub Uberbum.

The look of disappoint on the faces of all ya'll are gonna be priceless. Please snap photos of your sad faces and post them after the card.

i cant wait for the day to make a thread making fun of everyone thats been slurping on overeems shrunken testicles when hes been doing nothing but crushing cans.

 

[Steel Mamba]

If Fedor hasn't fought cans post-Pride, then neither has Overeem.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Werdum is gonna forget that BJJ even exists after feeling a hove to the grill.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Does a buttscoot work against a horse trample ?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If Fedor hasn't fought cans post-Pride, then neither has Overeem.

Outrageous nonsense.

Fedor fights since PRIDE:

d. Matt Lindland - not a can, but Lindland is not a heavyweight
d. Hong Man Choi - post tumor removal, CAN
d. Tim Sylvia - good opponent, total destruction
d. Andrei Arlovski - good opponent
d. Brett Rogers - good opponent
l. Fabricio Werdum - good opponent, lost

So Fedor faced one total can, and had one fight vs. a name fighter who was undersized an really didn't have a chance. He then had four consecutive fights vs. "real" opponents.


For Overeem, we will use all fights since he won the SF title, since that's the period where people are critical of his fight quality:

d. Tae Hyun Lee - BUM, not even a can. 1-2, this was his last MMA fight
d. Mark Hunt - BUM, Hunt is 5-7, and has lost 6 in a row. Hasnt been relevent since 2005
NC Mirko Cro Cop - good opponent, was winning the fight,
d. Gary Goodrich - washed up BUM, loser of 7 straight and 8 of 10
d. Tony Sylvester - BUM
d. James Thompson - BUM, loser of 12 of last 15 including losses to KIMBO and BUTTERBEAN
d. Kazuyuki Fujita - washed up, was 40 years old, loser of 5 of 7
d. Brett Rogers - good opponent
d. Todd Duffee - decent opponent

So what do we have? Two fights vs. "real" conteders, one of which he didn't win, the other of which Fedor beat, too. Dufee is his next best fight, a guy who has never sniffed the top 10. Then you have 6 total, complete, BUMS.


SUMMARY:

Fedor - 1 total BUM, 2 if you throw in Lindland. 4 legit opponents, 3 of which were either former world champs or ranked top 10 at the time of the fight. the fourth, Rogers, was a bordeline top 10 guy.

Overeem - 6 total BUMS. His toughest opponent, Rogers, was also defeated by Fedor, so that's a wash. Dufee isnt a bum, but never top 10 or even close. Cro Cop isnt a bum, but clearly declining, and Overeem technically didnt even beat him.

Fedor's top 5:
1. Werdum (L)
2. Rogers (W)
3. Arlovski (W)
4. Sylvia (W)
5. Lindland (W)

Overeem's top 5:
1. Rogers (W, Fedor beat him too)
2. Duffee (W)
3. Cro Cop (NC)
4. Fujita (W, BUM)
5. Sylvester or Hunt (W, BUMS)

It's not even close, Fedor has faced a much better lineup of fighters, it's impossible to argue. The sad part, is it's not like Fedore has faced some sort of killer lineup, and it still blows away the parade of BUMS Overeem has faced. Since 2007, Overeem has faced the weakest lineup of fighters of any "elite" level fighter in history. We finally get to see if he is for real.

 

[SHOGUN]

Warner, you bit.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm done picking on Overeem, i've said forever that I just want to see him face real opponents, and now he will. If he wins this, he is the undisputed #1 heavy in the world. Whoever wins this will be. No point knocking him anymore, he will face plenty of comp if the survives this. But to say Fedor hasnt faced tougher comp the last few years is nothing short of laughable.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

i like Warner's Bum4Bum rankings formula. he should do it for everyone.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Outrageous nonsense.

Fedor fights since PRIDE:

d. Matt Lindland -
d. Hong Man Choi -
d. Tim Sylvia -
d. Andrei Arlovski -
d. Brett Rogers -
l. Fabricio Werdum -

can
can
can
good opponent, gave him a tough match, Fedor arguably may have been losing up until the KO
" " Reem dismantled the same opponent
LOST

If you want to say that Fedor has fought good opponents, fine. But, it's hypocritical to praise that list and then bash Reem for his.

 

[Liquidrob]

Until fedor losses his baby fat I can't take him as a serious challenger to the reem, it will look like a fat kid after school against the star linebacker

The reem by locker stuffing round 1

 

[Liquidrob]

Boredum gonna lolsub Uberbum.

The look of disappoint on the faces of all ya'll are gonna be priceless. Please snap photos of your sad faces and post them after the card.

Overeem beating werdum is better for mma overall, it sets up a super fight against fedor, fedor and werdum can fight any time and everyone will just think fedor will win, it would put a damper on the tournament

don't be a selfish fan, support the reem

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

can
can
can
good opponent, gave him a tough match, Fedor arguably may have been losing up until the KO
" " Reem dismantled the same opponent
LOST

If you want to say that Fedor has fought good opponents, fine. But, it's hypocritical to praise that list and then bash Reem for his.

I didn't "praise" either list, that's the point. Even that Fedor list of so-so opposition shits on the straight up garbage Overeem has faced. Again, Overeem has faced the worst collection of bums compared to any other top level fighter in MMA history.

If you want to say Overeem has faced the same level of comp as Fedor, you are either trolling, or completely lost. Even the most hardcore Overeem backers wouldnt say he's faced better comp than Fedor.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I thought it was pretty obvious those picking Overeem are doing it for the novelty of picking a roided monster that would essentially be Ivan Drago in MMA.
I didnt think anything outside of of that would be mentioned...I was mistaken.

 

[Steel Mamba]

I didn't "praise" either list, that's the point. Even that Fedor list of so-so opposition shits on the straight up garbage Overeem has faced. Again, Overeem has faced the worst collection of bums compared to any other top level fighter in MMA history.

If you want to say Overeem has faced the same level of comp as Fedor, you are either trolling, or completely lost. Even the most hardcore Overeem backers wouldnt say he's faced better comp than Fedor.

Not now, but you have tried to hype up Fedor's opponents before. Basically both guys have beaten 2 good opponents as of late, but Reem is called a bum for that. Meanwhile you guys go as far as trying to turn Tim Sylvia into one of the best HWs ever to legitimatize Fedor's recent wins. That's trolling.

 

[Liquidrob]

Big Tim is not a great fighter, never was, but the facts are he was a dominate UFC champ and was like 1 fight removed from fighting for the title, plus highly ranked for whatever its worth

More of a knock on the UFC's HW division than Tim, but the guy is better than mostly all of Overeem's recent wins

Anyway, thanks to Strikeforce/Showtime and M-1 we will see these guys fight in the best tournament since PRIDE

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Not now, but you have tried to hype up Fedor's opponents before. Basically both guys have beaten 2 good opponents as of late, but Reem is called a bum for that. Meanwhile you guys go as far as trying to turn Tim Sylvia into one of the best HWs ever to legitimatize Fedor's recent wins. That's trolling.

I don't recall any of the bold.

But like I said, now it doesnt matter, because Overeem will finally face some real comp soon enough.

 

[Liquidrob]

New poster

 

[Liquidrob]

3rd alternate bout is rumored

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