Superstar in the Making-KD35

[Esjay]

I love Durants game more than anyone else in the NBA. He is already a superstar IMO and definitely better than Melo.

 

[The Messenger]

This thread makes me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. Someone can't say right now that they'd rather have Carmelo? You're kidding me. I'm not saying that Carmelo is better (or worse), but Carmelo is one of the most complete offensive players in the game. Hell, it was just last off-season (or the one before that) that analysts were saying Carmelo was the most complete offensive player in the NBA. Durant can put up 40 on any given night? Well so can Melo. Durant could average 28 points a game for the season. Well Melo already has.

There's not much that Kevin Durant can do that Carmelo can do. There's not much that Carmelo can do that Durant can't. The two are nearly identical.

Let's not forget that Melo led the Nuggets to 3 playoff berths That includes his rookie season, taking a team from like 17 wins to the playoffs, first team to ever do that I might add. That's with his second and third leading scorers being Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard... I'll say it again... Voshon Lenard. That's all before Iverson. Can Durant do that? Has Durant done that?

And when we look at offensive stats, let's not forget who Carmelo had to play with last season. Chauncey Billups changed the whole scheme of the Nuggets offense. Besides Billups, you have Kleiza, Smith, Martin, and Nene who all get their shots in. The other offensive players around Carmelo are better which means he doesn't have to put the offense on his back every night (like he used to and like Durant does now).

Sure, Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook may score 16 and 15 points a night, but on other teams, like the Nuggets for example, you'd see about 10 and 8 from them. They are scoring more on the Thunder because there's no one else who can do it. Look at Westbrook, he shot horrible for Christ's sake. On any other team (at least an average one) he wouldn't have taken half the shots he took. You can't put Green and Westbrook's production up there with Chauncey and Nene's (the two and three scorers for the Nuggets).

If I was starting a team right now, maybe I would take Durant, maybe I wouldn't, but there's no way it's a no-brainer. All Durant is doing right now is what Carmelo did when he first got into the league (minus half of what Carmelo did which was take a shitty team to the playoffs for three straight seasons without another legitimate scorer by his side). Can the Nuggets give Carmelo the ball right now and say, "we want 30 each and every night, don't worry, we're not expecting you to win more than 23 games" and he goes out there and does it? Yes he could. He's just at the stage in his career right now where he's learning he can contribute to his team being successful in so many more ways than stats.

I'm not saying Durant is bad, he's far from it, but he's not the God of basketball all of a sudden and he's not far better (if he's even better is a question in itself which I think I'm convinced he's not) than Melo. There's more to the game than stats.

Side Note: I'm not a Nuggets fan. I'm not a Carmelo fan. You can ask nbafan, we've had enough debates about the Nuggets before.

 

[LC AAU]

This thread makes me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. Someone can't say right now that they'd rather have Carmelo? You're kidding me. I'm not saying that Carmelo is better (or worse), but Carmelo is one of the most complete offensive players in the game. Hell, it was just last off-season (or the one before that) that analysts were saying Carmelo was the most complete offensive player in the NBA. Durant can put up 40 on any given night? Well so can Melo. Durant could average 28 points a game for the season. Well Melo already has.

There's not much that Kevin Durant can do that Carmelo can do. There's not much that Carmelo can do that Durant can't. The two are nearly identical.

Let's not forget that Melo led the Nuggets to 3 playoff berths That includes his rookie season, taking a team from like 17 wins to the playoffs, first team to ever do that I might add. That's with his second and third leading scorers being Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard... I'll say it again... Voshon Lenard. That's all before Iverson. Can Durant do that? Has Durant done that?

And when we look at offensive stats, let's not forget who Carmelo had to play with last season. Chauncey Billups changed the whole scheme of the Nuggets offense. Besides Billups, you have Kleiza, Smith, Martin, and Nene who all get their shots in. The other offensive players around Carmelo are better which means he doesn't have to put the offense on his back every night (like he used to and like Durant does now).

Sure, Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook may score 16 and 15 points a night, but on other teams, like the Nuggets for example, you'd see about 10 and 8 from them. They are scoring more on the Thunder because there's no one else who can do it. Look at Westbrook, he shot horrible for Christ's sake. On any other team (at least an average one) he wouldn't have taken half the shots he took. You can't put Green and Westbrook's production up there with Chauncey and Nene's (the two and three scorers for the Nuggets).

If I was starting a team right now, maybe I would take Durant, maybe I wouldn't, but there's no way it's a no-brainer. All Durant is doing right now is what Carmelo did when he first got into the league (minus half of what Carmelo did which was take a shitty team to the playoffs for three straight seasons without another legitimate scorer by his side). Can the Nuggets give Carmelo the ball right now and say, "we want 30 each and every night, don't worry, we're not expecting you to win more than 23 games" and he goes out there and does it? Yes he could. He's just at the stage in his career right now where he's learning he can contribute to his team being successful in so many more ways than stats.

I'm not saying Durant is bad, he's far from it, but he's not the God of basketball all of a sudden and he's not far better (if he's even better is a question in itself which I think I'm convinced he's not) than Melo. There's more to the game than stats.

Side Note: I'm not a Nuggets fan. I'm not a Carmelo fan. You can ask nbafan, we've had enough debates about the Nuggets before.

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[LC AAU]

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[FlawLeSs]

actually dropping knowledge > posting pointless pictures

 

[The Messenger]

actually dropping knowledge > posting pointless pictures

Me and LC AAU are in a bromance relationship. It's been going on for about 2 or 3 years now. Please forgive us.

 

[red33]

This thread makes me want to gouge my fucking eyes out. Someone can't say right now that they'd rather have Carmelo? You're kidding me. I'm not saying that Carmelo is better (or worse), but Carmelo is one of the most complete offensive players in the game. Hell, it was just last off-season (or the one before that) that analysts were saying Carmelo was the most complete offensive player in the NBA. Durant can put up 40 on any given night? Well so can Melo. Durant could average 28 points a game for the season. Well Melo already has.

There's not much that Kevin Durant can do that Carmelo can do. There's not much that Carmelo can do that Durant can't. The two are nearly identical.

Let's not forget that Melo led the Nuggets to 3 playoff berths That includes his rookie season, taking a team from like 17 wins to the playoffs, first team to ever do that I might add. That's with his second and third leading scorers being Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard... I'll say it again... Voshon Lenard. That's all before Iverson. Can Durant do that? Has Durant done that?

And when we look at offensive stats, let's not forget who Carmelo had to play with last season. Chauncey Billups changed the whole scheme of the Nuggets offense. Besides Billups, you have Kleiza, Smith, Martin, and Nene who all get their shots in. The other offensive players around Carmelo are better which means he doesn't have to put the offense on his back every night (like he used to and like Durant does now).

Sure, Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook may score 16 and 15 points a night, but on other teams, like the Nuggets for example, you'd see about 10 and 8 from them. They are scoring more on the Thunder because there's no one else who can do it. Look at Westbrook, he shot horrible for Christ's sake. On any other team (at least an average one) he wouldn't have taken half the shots he took. You can't put Green and Westbrook's production up there with Chauncey and Nene's (the two and three scorers for the Nuggets).

If I was starting a team right now, maybe I would take Durant, maybe I wouldn't, but there's no way it's a no-brainer. All Durant is doing right now is what Carmelo did when he first got into the league (minus half of what Carmelo did which was take a shitty team to the playoffs for three straight seasons without another legitimate scorer by his side). Can the Nuggets give Carmelo the ball right now and say, "we want 30 each and every night, don't worry, we're not expecting you to win more than 23 games" and he goes out there and does it? Yes he could. He's just at the stage in his career right now where he's learning he can contribute to his team being successful in so many more ways than stats.

I'm not saying Durant is bad, he's far from it, but he's not the God of basketball all of a sudden and he's not far better (if he's even better is a question in itself which I think I'm convinced he's not) than Melo. There's more to the game than stats.

Side Note: I'm not a Nuggets fan. I'm not a Carmelo fan. You can ask nbafan, we've had enough debates about the Nuggets before.

We have seens melos peak. Like i said before dude could score but what else can he do? How good of leader is he? Denver needed billups to take that team to the next level.

Durants potential is higher but even with him until we see him in the playoffs we wont know for sure.

What was durant like in HS? How come he ddint go to bigger basketball school?

PS-Melo is a rich mans ricky Davis.

 

[Esjay]

We have seens melos peak. Like i said before dude could score but what else can he do? How good of leader is he? Denver needed billups to take that team to the next level.

Durants potential is higher but even with him until we see him in the playoffs we wont know for sure.

What was durant like in HS? How come he ddint go to bigger basketball school?

PS-Melo is a rich mans ricky Davis.

He was pretty well known in high school also. Pretty much the unanimous #2 recruit behind Greg Oden. I guess he just liked Texas, lol.

Also, I agree 100% with the rest of what you said. We've seen how good Carmelo can possibly be. I really believe Durant could average 32, 33 points a game for several years. He is that talented offensively.

 

[The Messenger]

We have seens melos peak. Like i said before dude could score but what else can he do? How good of leader is he? Denver needed billups to take that team to the next level.

If we've seen Melo's peak, then we must be only focusing on one aspect of basketball, right? Because there's something called defense. Something which Melo made great strides in improving last year. Before last season he was a below average defender who could be worked for 25 points easily. Last year, he put a lot of time into his defense and made great improvements. But what you're telling me is Melo is as good as he's ever going to get? Even if he works hard enough to become an all-defensive player? Even if he works on his attitude and maturity some which would help him be a much better leader? He's as good as he's ever going to get right now?

Melo isn't the greatest leader in the NBA, but he was a good enough leader to take a below average team, who's second and third scoring options were Andre Miller and Voshon Lenard, to the playoffs in the West three straight years. Is Durant that kind of leader?

Durants potential is higher but even with him until we see him in the playoffs we wont know for sure.

I agree. Durant has more potential than Melo, but a lot of superstars never reach their full potential. How good could Kwame Brown have been? Eddy Curry? The list goes on and on.

What was durant like in HS? How come he ddint go to bigger basketball school?

Like Esjay said, Durant was the unanimous #2 behind GO.

PS-Melo is a rich mans ricky Davis.

I'd like an explanation for this lol, because it makes no sense whatsoever. Ricky Davis is a guy who can put up a bunch of points on a bad team. If anything, he's more like KD than he is like Melo.

We've seen how good Carmelo can possibly be. I really believe Durant could average 32, 33 points a game for several years. He is that talented offensively.

If he chucked as many 3's a game as Danny Granger than he probably could get around the 30 mark. 32, 33 seems like a stretch. He only takes 1 shot less a game than Lebron, about 3 less than Wade, but average 3-5 points less. He doesn't get to the line nearly as much as Wade and Lebron who average 30 and 28 points a game.

 

[Esjay]

If he chucked as many 3's a game as Danny Granger than he probably could get around the 30 mark. 32, 33 seems like a stretch. He only takes 1 shot less a game than Lebron, about 3 less than Wade, but average 3-5 points less. He doesn't get to the line nearly as much as Wade and Lebron who average 30 and 28 points a game.

Well the reason Danny takes so many (besides being a pretty good shooter lol) is the offense we run. Troy Murphy took over 300 3's also.

Durant ever plays in a system like Indiana's and continues bulking up and I don't see anyway he doesn't average at least 30 every season.

 

[The Messenger]

Well the reason Danny takes so many (besides being a pretty good shooter lol) is the offense we run. Troy Murphy took over 300 3's also.

Durant ever plays in a system like Indiana's and continues bulking up and I don't see anyway he doesn't average at least 30 every season.

I wasn't taking a shot at Granger or the Pacers. I could see 30 maybe, but 32 or 33 is a bit much unless OKC's team is in the same position 3-5 years from now.

 

[ralaw]

IMO people are too focused on the possibility of Durant averaging 30ppg. On a bad team any of the top players could average 30ppg, so that number really isn't impressive. I personally would take Anthony over Durant, because he IMO brings more to the table. At this point in his career Durant is simply a scorer. I would like to see him get stronger, develop a post game, become a better rebounder and learn how to create shots for his teammates before I put him over Anthony.

 

[Esjay]

I wasn't taking a shot at Granger or the Pacers. I could see 30 maybe, but 32 or 33 is a bit much unless OKC's team is in the same position 3-5 years from now.

I know you weren't.

I have a huge hard on for Durant's game .. so I'll admit I'm slightly biased and possibly over exaggerating his talent.