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The Best Pitcher In Baseball?

Bob Kuzzy said:
Halladay is by far the most consistent pitcher in the league, save MAYBE Johan. Hes been doing it consistently for over 5 years now. Dude is a horse. And the fact that so few ppl have mentioned him in this thread shows me the lack of respect he gets. For shame.
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He's not mentioned more because he's not the best pitcher.

Pretty simple logic.

I think the mark of the best pitcher is asking yourself.. if you had a game you HAVE to win.. who would you want to take the mound for you?

In that case.. I'd say Santana or Josh Beckett. Lincecum and Greinke are outstanding young pitchers as well. And while Roy Halladay is consistent.. and a damn good pitcher in his own right.. I like Johan or Beckett in a big game over anyone.

I think what holds Roy back is not his fault.. he has never pitched in the postseason.. so he's overlooked a lot because of it.
 
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Hasselbeck said:
He's not mentioned more because he's not the best pitcher.

Pretty simple logic.

I think the mark of the best pitcher is asking yourself.. if you had a game you HAVE to win.. who would you want to take the mound for you?

In that case.. I'd say Santana or Josh Beckett. Lincecum and Greinke are outstanding young pitchers as well. And while Roy Halladay is consistent.. and a damn good pitcher in his own right.. I like Johan or Beckett in a big game over anyone.

I think what holds Roy back is not his fault.. he has never pitched in the postseason.. so he's overlooked a lot because of it.
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i agree with this, but i think were talking about whos the best pitcher as it stands right now, not who youd want in the postseason

id want beckett over lincecum in postseason any day

but in terms of whos a better pitcher on a regular basis its lincecum
 
Zack Greinke has a career record of 40-46 and a career high 13 wins in one season and you guys honestly believe he belongs in this conversation?
Jeez.
One fast start and he's friggin Bob Gibson.

Some of you guys really need to find out that baseball was played before 2009.
 
MVPete said:
It's still way too early to say who is the best but as far as numbers go Grienke is #1 with Johan right behind him. Hell even Dan Haren is having an amazing year and he's 3-4. Dudes got a 2.09 ERA but does not get any run support. Which is why I hate these best pitcher arguments because a lot of people leave out run support, which if really low can hurt a guys record i.e. Dan Haren.
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i.e. Matt Cain over the past 2 years
 
dave said:
Zack Greinke has a career record of 40-46 and a career high 13 wins in one season and you guys honestly believe he belongs in this conversation?
Jeez.
One fast start and he's friggin Bob Gibson.

Some of you guys really need to find out that baseball was played before 2009.
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were talking about whos the best pitcher in baseball right now, which he is, in mine i specifically said that, if were talking about always i dont think he falls in the top 25-30 for me, but as it stands this season, hes #1
 
MVPete said:
You don't know shit about shit dave so I don't know who you are preaching to. The question wasn't about who is the best pitcher over a certain time span, it was about now, and that is currently Grienke with Santana right behind him.
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I missed the part about "this season". Contact my legal team of Wolowitz and Woloshitz.

That said, it's a long season.
 
I have always thought that Halladay was, with Oswalt and Johan coming up. I'd put Lincecum ahead of those two now though.

But don't forget Felix. Just pointing out that the dude gets absolutely no run support. Just today pitched seven innings, six k's, no runs, four hits, and does not get the win. This is the year he breaks out, the only starts he has struggled in this year have been ones where he was inflicted with the flou for a bit.
 
dave said:
Zack Greinke has a career record of 40-46 and a career high 13 wins in one season and you guys honestly believe he belongs in this conversation?
Jeez.
One fast start and he's friggin Bob Gibson.

Some of you guys really need to find out that baseball was played before 2009.
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what do wins have to do with being a good pitcher? an average pitcher on a good team would get more wins then a good pitcher on a bad team. W-L record should never be looked at.
 
MVPete said:
Here's an interesting trivia question. From 1996 to 2001 who led the majors in strikeouts in that time span?

I'll give you a hint, he will be forever linked to Fernando Tatis.
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Chan Ho Park?

The link would Tatis hit two grand slams off him in the same inning.
 
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Johan Santana is the top dog in my opinion.

Followed by Halladay, Lincecum, Felix, Greinke, etc. But Johan in my mind is top dog. People forget if he had any semblance of a bullpen last year he would have likely won 20-22 games.
 
The point Dave is making is its not fair to call someone the best when hes just now showing his signs of brilliance. If you're saying longevity doesnt count for anything then I dont know what to tell you. A 3 month span of great pitching might mean you're pitching the best at this moment, but that doesnt make you the best pitcher in the league. Greinke MIGHT end up infront of Halladay.. but to put him infront of Doc or Johan is ridiculous. Greinke is just having his Cliff Lee like season this year. Is Cliff Lee better than Halladay too cause he balled out last year? Not a chance.

Im not discrediting Greinke.. but IMO hes not on Doc or Johan's level at this point.
 
Johan is the better pitcher in baseball

Halladay is 1A...you can make a case for him being the best just as much as u can with Johan.
 
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