The Good, the Bad and the Ugly; Week 4

[Archer]

Brown is playing better than you're giving him credit for. I'm on your side with most of the players you listed, though. Addai sucks.

A little bit too early to be throwing him on the fire?

Two good years and then one year in which he was banged up and now he "sucks" .

I think this is a big year for him but I'm not ready to write him of just yet

 

[Bear Pand]

OK...even if Brown is playing well, at the very least, IMO, the mere selection of Brown a couple seasons after the selection of Addai should indicate a "miss" on Polian's part.

that's not entirely fair when you consider the whole runningback by commitee thing that's commonplace in the NFL right now, and when you criticized Polian for not finding a Dominic Rhodes replacement.

 

[Esjay]

A little bit too early to be throwing him on the fire?

Two good years and then one year in which he was banged up and now he "sucks" .

I think this is a big year for him but I'm not ready to write him of just yet

You're probably right, but I've never been a huge fan of his as a player. I liked him a lot his rookie year obviously, but lately it seems to me he spends entirely too much time dancing around behind the line going nowhere. I thought at first this was just because our run blocking was terrible last year and not much better this season, but Brown never does that. I don't know what to make of him.

 

[Archer]

OK...even if Brown is playing well, at the very least, IMO, the mere selection of Brown a couple seasons after the selection of Addai should indicate a "miss" on Polian's part.

It would indicate that Polian sees what everybody else does . Addai was a very decent/good runningback when he had somebody to share the load with him ..... and then when they took that away last year he got worse .

You could also note that even Peyton said he wanted the Colts to be more balanced this year and liked the idea of having two backs they he could playcation off instead of an extra wr

His words not mine

 

[Senser81]

the old number two TE Ben Utecht got signed by the Cincy Bengals in the offseason. He probably would've been their starter but he got a concussion in either training camp or the preseason and is out for the year.

Don't you mean he was signed by Cincy two offseasons ago? Meaning you are really grasping at straws here?

Brown doesn't "barely play" and has two TDs, Addai also has two. Colts running game hasn't been dominant or anything, probably because they're easily leading the league in passing with the rotation of Gonzales/Collie/Garzon and mediocre offensive line.

Again, I don't even have to say anything on my own behalf...you do it for me. Please tell me how your above statement reflects poorly on Peyton Manning. Wouldn't you think that if a team led the league in passing with some half-assed RBs, some middling WRs, and a mediocre offensive line...you would give some of the credit to the QB?? Or, should we interpret your statement as "the reason the Colts are leading the league in passing is because in the last 4 years Bill Polian has spent #1 picks on Addai, Gonzalez, and Brown. In the last game, Brown and Addai combined for a titanic 79 yards on 21 carries, while Gonzalez carried the team with 0 catches."


I don't get it. Any of it. What I especially don't get is how you are so completely unable to even UNDERSTAND my argument.

 

[Archer]

You're probably right, but I've never been a huge fan of his as a player. I liked him a lot his rookie year obviously, but lately it seems to me he spends entirely too much time dancing around behind the line going nowhere. I thought at first this was just because our run blocking was terrible last year and not much better this season, but Brown never does that. I don't know what to make of him.

I'm not a huge Addai fan either but I just don't like throwing a third year guy who has done well in two of them years into the fire . What I will say is , he appears to be a big fucking pussy .... every small knock or injury and he is moaning and limping around .

I will agree that in some degree he was went from seeing a gap and hitting it hard to seeing a gap , waiting , seeing another , waiting , taking 2yards .

 

[Bear Pand]

What I especially don't get is how you are so completely unable to even UNDERSTAND my argument.

I understand your argument, you argue just for the sake of it. I'm done there's no point. Lol at you trying to suggest I'm trying to say things that "reflect negatively on Manning" like I'm not a big Colts and Manning fan.

 

[Senser81]

that's not entirely fair when you consider the whole runningback by commitee thing that's commonplace in the NFL right now, and when you criticized Polian for not finding a Dominic Rhodes replacement.

I don't know of too many NFL teams that have RB committee that consists of two recent #1 picks. I think the Panthers do, but last year they ran for like almost 3000 yards and 30 TDs. I don't foresee Brown/Addai equaling that output.

Dominic Rhodes was great because the Colts didn't have to waste a #1 pick on him. Thats kind of my point. Which, as usual, you still don't remotely understand.

 

[Senser81]

I understand your argument, you argue just for the sake of it. I'm done there's no point. Lol at you trying to suggest I'm trying to say things that "reflect negatively on Manning" like I'm not a big Colts and Manning fan.

I'm not even arguing with you...I'm just trying to explain my point to you, and you are failing to grasp it.

Me: The Colts shouldn't have to spend two #1 picks on RBs in such a short time frame.

You: Many NFL teams are doing the RB by committee.

Me: <facepalm>

You: <crying>

Me: ????

You: !!!!!

Me:

You:

 

[Archer]

I don't know of too many NFL teams that have RB committee that consists of two recent #1 picks. I think the Panthers do, but last year they ran for like almost 3000 yards and 30 TDs. I don't foresee Brown/Addai equaling that output.

Dominic Rhodes was great because the Colts didn't have to waste a #1 pick on him. Thats kind of my point. Which, as usual, you still don't remotely understand.

The Colts don't have a good enough offensive line to produce them sort of stats . Ugoh was a bust (or so it seems) and Johnson is just a decent "fill in guy" that Polian found . Manning will keep that o-line looking ok because he gets the ball out quicker than any qb in the NFL and is able to manipulate a defense into how he wants it .

Polian always has and always will be a BPA kind of guy . And it's also 100% clear that Addai needs a backup who can share time to keep his level of play up .

Long in short , we are not the Indianapolis Polians , we are not the Indianapolis Mannings .... we are the Indianapolis Colts

Ended with a cheesey line

 

[Champ]

Peyton wishes he was a Giant.

 

[Bear Pand]

I'm not even arguing with you...I'm just trying to explain my point to you, and you are failing to grasp it.

Me: The Colts shouldn't have to spend two #1 picks on RBs in such a short time frame.

You: Many NFL teams are doing the RB by committee.

Me: <facepalm>

You: <crying>

Me: ????

You: !!!!!

Me:

You:

lol at this being how things go in your head, shits pathetic. I swear you try to "win" every "debate" by being as annoying as possible.

 

[DSpydr84]

Polian also built the Buffalo Bills Superbowl era team in the early 1990's, and helped Carolina get off the ground and become arguably the fastest growing expansion team in NFL history. I think the guy has some credibility as a great GM.

 

[Gonzo]

I don't know of too many NFL teams that have RB committee that consists of two recent #1 picks. I think the Panthers do, but last year they ran for like almost 3000 yards and 30 TDs. I don't foresee Brown/Addai equaling that output.

Dominic Rhodes was great because the Colts didn't have to waste a #1 pick on him. Thats kind of my point. Which, as usual, you still don't remotely understand.

You're beating a dead horse here. Obviously, Peyton Manning is the brains of this operation; he makes players that really never had a shot [Garcon] and makes them players that are capable of actually producing on any given Sunday.

However, Polian put together this squad, and as a team [Polian and Manning] our entire offense has been fantastic. You seem hellbent on mentioning that we wasted 2 First Rounders in the last few years on RB's, but we've got the number 1 passing attack in the league right now.

While I agree with you that Rhodes was always a fantastic addition to the team, he never really had that second level, something that Brown has shown he has. He's played great when he's had the chance, and 4 games into the year, how are you going to sit here and tell us that we've "wasted" 2 picks in 3, 4 years, however many it is, on RB's?

On top of the RBs helping to balance our run-game with our efficient pass-game, both of these RBs also bring different tools to the table.

Addai is fantastic as a blocker. He's not as good as James was out of the backfield, but he's manageable. Brown? He's fantastic out of the backfield, and exhibits many of the same skills James showed when he was here.

I saw mention of you talking about how many of these Colts players wouldn't work anywhere else. I wholeheartedly agree with that. However, is that due to Peyton? Or our offense as a whole? While Peyton heavily influenced the offensive schemes we use game-in and game-out, Polian is responsible for bringing players into the league that can jump into that system and that are willing and ready to learn it.

Polian understands potential draft picks and players in general on a whole different level than most exec's in this league today. While I understand that you're brooding over the fact that Peyton brings the wins, Polian, more often than not, is the one responsible for giving Peyton the tools to win.

For that part, he deserves more credit than he's ever gotten.

 

[Senser81]

Long in short , we are not the Indianapolis Polians , we are not the Indianapolis Mannings .... we are the Indianapolis Colts

Ended with a cheesey line

Could have been worse. You could have said "We are Marshall!"

 

[Senser81]

lol at this being how things go in your head, shits pathetic. I swear you try to "win" every "debate" by being as annoying as possible.

It usually works. Except with you. Whenever you say "This is pointless, I'm done"...I get about 12 more postings from you, none of which containing an iota of brain-power.

 

[Senser81]

I saw mention of you talking about how many of these Colts players wouldn't work anywhere else. I wholeheartedly agree with that. However, is that due to Peyton? Or our offense as a whole? While Peyton heavily influenced the offensive schemes we use game-in and game-out, Polian is responsible for bringing players into the league that can jump into that system and that are willing and ready to learn it.

Interesting, but lets look at it the other way. Keep the rest of the Colts in this system, but take Peyton Manning out of the equation and bring in a Trent Edwards or a 2nd tier QB. I think the Gonzalez's and the Addai's see a serious drop-off in production.

I see the Polian/Manning thing like the Krause/Jordan thing. It was nice of Jerry Krause to get guys like Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant, but I think those picks were easier to make knowing that you already had Michael Jordan on the team. Bill Polian has the luxury of having Peyton Manning, so he can pick guys like Anthony Gonzalez and still get production. Just my opinion.

 

[Gonzo]

Interesting, but lets look at it the other way. Keep the rest of the Colts in this system, but take Peyton Manning out of the equation and bring in a Trent Edwards or a 2nd tier QB. I think the Gonzalez's and the Addai's see a serious drop-off in production.

I see the Polian/Manning thing like the Krause/Jordan thing. It was nice of Jerry Krause to get guys like Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant, but I think those picks were easier to make knowing that you already had Michael Jordan on the team. Bill Polian has the luxury of having Peyton Manning, so he can pick guys like Anthony Gonzalez and still get production. Just my opinion.

Yeah, I see your point there. But then again, like Krause/Jordan, Krause [in this case Polian] wouldn't be bringing in those kind of guys.

It's a flip flop really, and as a Colts fan we can appreciate the fact that we have two of the best on the same side.

 

[steeljake]

Polian also built the Buffalo Bills Superbowl era team in the early 1990's, and helped Carolina get off the ground and become arguably the fastest growing expansion team in NFL history. I think the guy has some credibility as a great GM.

Indeed he did Spydr, but my point and reason for calling the Colts the Manning's is that if you take away Peyton this team is 8-8 or 9-7 at best and a super bowl ring is something they would never have.

 

[Gonzo]

Indeed he did Spydr, but my point and reason for calling the Colts the Manning's is that if you take away Peyton this team is 8-8 or 9-7 at best and a super bowl ring is something they would never have.

If you took Manning away from the Colts Polian would have figured out a way, and we may still very well have that super bowl ring.

Jus' Sayin'.