The Historical Significance of Brock at #1 (by whistleblower from the UG)

[Liquidrob]

You guys fall for the hype to easily, tough to try and educate when I'm fighting promotional hype, but I won't give up

 

[EmpireWF]

1. Cain
2. Fedor
3. JDS
4. Werdum?
5. Brock?
....

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He is?

Hype is a beautiful thing when beating Fedor means less than beating hype job with 6 fights, amazing

One guy is unbeaten, and has never been challenged.

The other guy went 2-2 in the UFC, has four losses overall, and was a fringe top 10 heavyweight before he beat Fedor.

You would have been laughed out of the room if you suggested Werdum was possibly the best heavy in the world before that fight. You talk about "hype", yet you overhype Werdum based on one fight.

Who has been more impressive, Cain or Boredum, over their last 10 fights? Last 5? Last 3? Shit, who was more impressive in their last fight?

The answer to every question is Cain.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I still got Fedor #1.

He was so far out in front of the pack, he should have been -100. The loss to Boredum, a guy in that 7-10 range in flukey fashion merely brings him down to earth, not allows someone to overtake him.

I would have had Brock @ 2 prior to this fight...so, I guess by default it is Cain now.

Boredum probably comes in at 3. Overeem 4. Brock 5. JDS 6.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Werdum is not the #1 heavy in the world.

Just like if Rogers ended up knocking Fedor out...he would have been ranked #1 either.

Now if Barnett didn't juice up, and instead beat Fedor...he WOULD have become the #1 guy.

Exactly, you have to at least be able to sniff the top going into a fight with the #1 guy in order to take over the spot if you win.

Werdum was barely a blip on the map, and his win reeks of being a fluke anyway. Nothing fluky about what Cain just did.

 

[Liquidrob]

Who is the best and who is ranked number 1 are to different things, lol @ 'fringe'

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I still got Fedor #1.

He was so far out in front of the pack, he should have been -100. The loss to Boredum, a guy in that 7-10 range in flukey fashion merely brings him down to earth, not allows someone to overtake him.

I would have had Brock @ 2 prior to this fight...so, I guess by default it is Cain now.

I couldnt find a single major list where he was even as high as 7. Most places had him 9th or 10th at the time of the fight.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Who is the best and who is ranked number 1 are to different things, lol @ 'fringe'

What are you lol'ing about? He was ranked anywhere from 8th to 10th to not ranked at all. That's the definition of 'fringe'.

I agree they are two different things, but 'who is the best' is one of the factors of 'who is #1'.

You cant jump that far, not with his resume. Missouri won't be #1 this week, Oregon will.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Rob...you are trying too hard.

 

[EmpireWF]

Here are the records of all the heavyweights who make up the top ten...since the summer of 2008. Over two years of action.

Fedor
W Tim Sylvia
W Andrei Arlovski
W Brett Rogers
L Fabricio Werdum

Werdum
W Brandon Vera
L JDS
W Mike Kyle
W Big Foot
W Fedor

JDS
W Werdum
W Struve
W Cro Cop
W Yvel
W Gonzaga
W Nelson

Big Foot
W Eilers
W Nakao
W York
L Werdum
W Arlovski

Sylvia
L Fedor
L Mercer
W Riley
W Polish Strongman
W Buentello

Big Nog
L Mir
W Couture
L Cain

Brock
W Herring
W Couture
W Mir
W Carwin
L Cain

Carwin
W Wain
W Gonzaga
W Mir
L Lesnar

Cain
W O'Brien
W Stojnic
W Kongo
W Rothwell
W Big Nog
W Lesnar

Mir
W Big Nog
L Lesnar
W Kongo
L Carwin
W Cro Cop

Overeem
W Tae-Hyun
W Hunt
NC Cro Cop
W Goodridge
W Sylvester
W Thompson
W Fujita
W Rogers


If we're talking strictly W/L....JDS may be the best heavyweight right now.

 

[Liquidrob]

Bob Sapp was pretty awesome until he started getting hit in the face, Brock like Carwin are huge question marks, the UFC HW was built on smoke and mirrors, hype jobs like Carwin and Brock, Cain and JDS are awesome though

 

[EmpireWF]

And Fedor could be wilting as fast as Big Nog.

Fact is we have no clue yet. Won't be able to tell until Fedor, Brock have another couple of fights under their belt. Sadly, guess we won't see that until the end of next year...if we're lucky.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Rob, no one can deny the UFC's heavy's are overrated. The top of their division is just loaded with young guys...young guys that will be and are in some respects, great fighters, but they aren't elite yet and funny enough they are just beating each other up in round robin format.

However, they are all at the top of a pretty slim heavyweight division whether Zuffa or "the field"...

I dont think anyone has ever said otherwise...didnt we have a thread on the subject a few months ago?

 

[Liquidrob]

What are you lol'ing about? He was ranked anywhere from 8th to 10th to not ranked at all. That's the definition of 'fringe'.

I agree they are two different things, but 'who is the best' is one of the factors of 'who is #1'.

You cant jump that far, not with his resume. Missouri won't be #1 this week, Oregon will.

I know your argument sucks when you use a broken system like the BCS which you constantly bash to try and make a point

 

[EmpireWF]

Rob, you're system would have had Serra as the best 170er in the world after the GSP knockout. Clearly that was not the case.

 

[Liquidrob]

THE CARTEL!

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Bob Sapp was pretty awesome until he started getting hit in the face, Brock like Carwin are huge question marks, the UFC HW was built on smoke and mirrors, hype jobs like Carwin and Brock, Cain and JDS are awesome though

You kill me.

As soon as Cain & JDS lose, you will rip them, too.

You're the same guy who was all over the Carwin hype train going into the Brock fight. In fact, you've picked EVERY SINGLE BROCK OPPONENT to date, except for the Korean can & Herring (you might have picked Herring, too, I dont remember, I assume you didnt though).

Plus you overhype everything SF.

 

[Liquidrob]

Rob, you're system would have had Serra as the best 170er in the world after the GSP knockout. Clearly that was not the case.

Um, no it wouldn't, Serra wasn't even a top 25 WW, Werdum was 8, with quality HW wins on his resume

 

[Liquidrob]

I have said for a while Cain would be champ and beat both Brock and Carwin, but he is still young and has room to grow, guy is a stud

Carwin vs Brock was a pick em, said it many times before the fight

 

[Liquidrob]

Time for bed

THE CAIN TRAIN, CHOO CHOO!