This weekend you will be introduced to MEGAREEM

[CrimsonGhost56]

so whats next for overeem?

werdum? fedor? barnett? random can?

id love to see him fight barnett.

 

[Liquidrob]

I love K1. And I do think you take a fighters accomplishments into account to a small degree when you assess them as an MMA fighter. But its only to a small degree.

What Rob seems to be trying to do for Overeem should then be done across the board. And talking about a "fighter" without the context of a given sport becomes kinda meaningless. If this is how things were going to be done, then we should have been talking about Semmy Schilt as one of the best heavyweight "fighters" for a long time now - his MMA record is spotty, but he's more dominant at kick boxing than Overeem. Yet no one looks at this way, because it really doesn't make sense to, Rob.

We could also start talking about Nagashima as a top "fighter" because he's a good kickboxer who just KO'd a top-level MMA fighter in the MMA portion of their mixed fights.

Semmy was one of the top fighters back in the day, still is in k1 terms, but never as well rounded overeem

You guys keep thinking I'm ranking overeem number 1 in mma, I'm not

 

[Liquidrob]

In MMA, Cain, JDS, Fedor, Werdum, Brock and even Carwin can be ranked ahead of Overeem.

Stop clinging to rankings, they are man made prisons, free your mind

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Stop clinging to rankings, they are man made prisons, free your mind

Lol, you say this, but then have no problem debating for pages and pages on things like p4p and technical striking, which are 100% mythical and subjective. At least straight rankings are based on things that are somewhat tangible.

 

[SHOGUN]

I <3 The 'Reem, however, Rob's nuthugging is reaching levels similar to the Machida epidemic of 2008-09.

 

[Liquidrob]

Lol, you say this, but then have no problem debating for pages and pages on things like p4p and technical striking, which are 100% mythical and subjective. At least straight rankings are based on things that are somewhat tangible.

When talking about fights, how fighters match up and skill level rankings mean nothing

 

[Liquidrob]

You guys have no ability to flow from rankings, skill level, match ups, potential, past fights, etc...just stuck in 1 mode all the time

 

[Liquidrob]

What's funny is w2b saying I would be killing overeem, do you see me killing cain? Who has he beat? The ghost of nog and thee most ovehyped hw ever, his resume isn't that impressive, but I see though hype and know cain is legit

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

When talking about fights, how fighters match up and skill level rankings mean nothing

Obviously.

I just think its funny that you will argue all day about mythical p4p, but you tell empire to stop worrying about rankings.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

What's funny is w2b saying I would be killing overeem, do you see me killing cain? Who has he beat? The ghost of nog and thee most ovehyped hw ever, his resume isn't that impressive, but I see though hype and know cain is legit

Cain has beaten a murderers row compared to Overeem.

You killed Brock for being overhyped, and he beat Herring, Mir, Couture, and Carwin, again, a murepderers row compared to Overeem.

Sorry rob, you would be trashing Overeem for his opponents if he was a Zuffa guy, the proof is Brock who beat much better caliber of opponents. If you believe Brock is overhyped, its impossible to not think the same of Overeem. You are fooled by big muscles and success in a different sport, face it you are buying hype.

 

[Liquidrob]

Lol, you say this, but then have no problem debating for pages and pages on things like p4p and technical striking, which are 100% mythical and subjective. At least straight rankings are based on things that are somewhat tangible.

Obviously.

I just think its funny that you will argue all day about mythical p4p, but you tell empire to stop worrying about rankings.

Yes, when we are talking about p4p

Empire like most new fans can't talk skills and match ups, so they cling to rankings for everything

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[Liquidrob]

Cain has beaten a murderers row compared to Overeem.

You killed Brock for being overhyped, and he beat Herring, Mir, Couture, and Carwin, again, a murepderers row compared to Overeem.

Sorry rob, you would be trashing Overeem for his opponents if he was a Zuffa guy, the proof is Brock who beat much better caliber of opponents. If you believe Brock is overhyped, its impossible to not think the same of Overeem. You are fooled by big muscles and success in a different sport, face it you are buying hype.

I don't take to much from 5 and 2 fighters who get pushed to the top

Again, never said overeem should be ranked higher than these guys, I always look at skills and match ups first

Overeem has fought more than bock, cain, carwin combined, probably jds also

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If and when Overeem beats Fedor, or knocks off some combo of Werdum/Barnett/Bigfoot, I will be ready to call him the best heavyweight in the world. Brett Rogers & Todd Duffee can't be your bragging points, but they are nice complimentary wins if you also beat a top contender or two. Aside from those two guys, he has faced total bums.

If you tell me ok, this guy has beaten Fedor, demolished Duffe and Rogers, and demolished everyone else in his path, and hasn't lost in a half decade, there is no argument left. Its just too bad Japan has literally no viable heavyweights, because a resume full of Duffee's right now would be worlds better than the stiffs they feed him.

 

[Liquidrob]