Top 25 Fantasy WR's of all time.

[Len B]

As I said before, this must not be a PPR list. I think this list changes up quite a bit in a PPR format.

PPR isn't a standard fantasy stat so it makes sense that it isn't.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

PPR isn't a standard fantasy stat so it makes sense that it isn't.

I personally think PPR is better than Standard. It puts more weight on all activity, that is the more receptions a player has the more active in that game he was. Say you got Marvin Harrison puting in work, getting 10 receptions for 100 yards and a TD. Then you got Randy Moss taking down 4 receptions for 100 yards and a TD. Marvin put in more work, and I think he should get more points for being more active.

I play in 4 competitive leagues per year, 3 of which are PPR, for this reason. I know plenty of people who swear by the PPR format, and avoid standard play. To them, this list isn't that valuable. And it's not like PPR leagues are some rare out of the box system. PPR leagues are pretty popular.

 

[Tailback U]

By that logic, would you be a fan of Points Per Carry for running backs? Since more carries = more works.

More catches does not automatically equate to better production.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't play some form of PPR. When I draft a player, I want his total production, everything he does should count.

It's fantasy football, it's not some geeky and contrived footballoutsiders-esque stat computation. Everything else being equal, the player who catches 10 balls should score better than the guy who catches 4.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

By that logic, would you be a fan of Points Per Carry for running backs? Since more carries = more works.

More catches does not automatically equate to better production.

I've played in a league for the 10 years or so that gives one point for every ten carries. It's a little goofy, it never really affects lineup decisions, but I like it.

 

[Len B]

I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't play some form of PPR. When I draft a player, I want his total production, everything he does should count.

It's fantasy football, it's not some geeky and contrived footballoutsiders-esque stat computation. Everything else being equal, the player who catches 10 balls should score better than the guy who catches 4.

Who's to say 10 catches for 84 yards is better than 4 catches for 90 yards and a 50 yard TD, though?

Fantasy is all about offensive production, and if a guy can beat over the top coverage for a 50 yard TD that's more impressive than moving the chain 3 times for a field goal.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Who's to say 10 catches for 84 yards is better than 4 catches for 90 yards and a 50 yard TD, though?

If you're playing in a fractional tally league, the 90 > 84. I would be .3 points better than 84 yards in fact. In a non-fractional league, you lose anything over/under 20 yards. So anything from 80 to 99 yards = 4 points...unless you're in a PPR league, then 10+(84/20)=14.2 > 4+(90/20)=8.5 Enough with the geek crap.

Fantasy is all about offensive production, and if a guy can beat over the top coverage for a 50 yard TD that's more impressive than moving the chain 3 times for a field goal.

Why does the guy who had 4 catches have to score a TD, but the guy who had 10 catches only has 3 first downs and a FG? It doesn't always work like that.

Let me just say it like this, the two best WR's this year were Brandon Lloyd [77 rec, 1,448 yds, 11 tds] and Roddy White [115 rec, 1,389 yds, 10 tds] Which receiver do you think is better? Hands down Roddy White, and a PPR league would have rewarded Roddy for his efforts.

The best reason to use PPR is that typically, not always but typically, you'll have a guy who's out there working every play to get catches (ie: Wes Welker type) and on the other side of the coin you'll have a guy who's being lazy 50% of the time and only puting an effort on deep patterns.

Also, I like the idea of rewarding a guy who's not the biggest, fastest, best WR out there, but he's puting in work, running routes, getting open a lot, and making a lot of catches with extra effort. I also like the idea that for every one of these 'high catch' players, there are ten more guys with the same skill set that can't get open, can't pull down 7 catches per game. So I like to see players have 100 catch seasons, and I think they should be rewarded a little extra something for it.

BTW, the PPR leagues I'm in give .5 pts per catch, so this really only ads up to 57.5 extra points for Roddy White, and 38.5 for Lloyd. Not that big of a deal, but it IMO just highlights the extra work one WR has over another.

 

[Senser81]

I shied away from PPR initially because I thought it rewarded RBs for catching dump-offs, and regardless of what "experts" say, a RB catching dump-offs is really just a product of the offensive system. I think PPR would make RBs much too valuable if they also get points for pass receptions.

Let me just say it like this, the two best WR's this year were Brandon Lloyd [77 rec, 1,448 yds, 11 tds] and Roddy White [115 rec, 1,389 yds, 10 tds] Which receiver do you think is better? Hands down Roddy White, and a PPR league would have rewarded Roddy for his efforts.

Looking at the stats, Lloyd is easily better. Its not even close. Lloyd has more yards and more TDs and needed fewer receptions. Which is more valuable...a RB who gains 1000 yards on 200 carries, or a RB who gains 1000 yards on 325 carries?

 

[jms493]

I shied away from PPR initially because I thought it rewarded RBs for catching dump-offs, and regardless of what "experts" say, a RB catching dump-offs is really just a product of the offensive system. I think PPR would make RBs much too valuable if they also get points for pass receptions.

But if A QB throws a screen pass to a HB/WR and he takes it 50 yards for a TD the QB gets credit for a 50 yds and TD. Sort of the same difference.

I like PPR leagues....more value for WRs.

 

[Senser81]

But if A QB throws a screen pass to a HB/WR and he takes it 50 yards for a TD the QB gets credit for a 50 yds and TD. Sort of the same difference.

No, its not. The "same difference" would be giving QBs points for completions, thus equating a 1-yard hitch with a 99-yard TD.

 

[jms493]

No, its not. The "same difference" would be giving QBs points for completions, thus equating a 1-yard hitch with a 99-yard TD.

no comprendo...

 

[Senser81]

no comprendo...

 

[NAHSTE]

PPR leagues are stupid.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I shied away from PPR initially because I thought it rewarded RBs for catching dump-offs, and regardless of what "experts" say, a RB catching dump-offs is really just a product of the offensive system. I think PPR would make RBs much too valuable if they also get points for pass receptions.



Looking at the stats, Lloyd is easily better. Its not even close. Lloyd has more yards and more TDs and needed fewer receptions. Which is more valuable...a RB who gains 1000 yards on 200 carries, or a RB who gains 1000 yards on 325 carries?

Good luck convincing anybody on the planet that Lloyd is a better receiver that White. Fluke year. White is obviously the more consistent and talented. He also puts in more work. Lloyd has been known to take entire seasons off, where as White doesn't slack on any play. Which is the whole point of a PPR league. To give more value to players who are puting in work.

 

[Senser81]

Good luck convincing anybody on the planet that Lloyd is a better receiver that White. Fluke year. White is obviously the more consistent and talented. He also puts in more work. Lloyd has been known to take entire seasons off, where as White doesn't slack on any play. Which is the whole point of a PPR league. To give more value to players who are puting in work.

Thats why I specifically said "looking at the stats". I'll take Brandon Lloyd taking a season off and getting over 1400 yards and 11 TDs on my fantasy team any day.

LOL at thinking PPR somehow circumvents the flukiness of fantasy football. It is what it is, but fantasy football is designed so even the biggest morons who draft Jamaal Charles over Chris Johnson can field a good team. I thought that aspect would be appealing to you.

And LOL at thinking that the whole point of fantasy football is to elevate players who are "putting in the work". Its stat-based.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

Thats why I specifically said "looking at the stats". I'll take Brandon Lloyd taking a season off and getting over 1400 yards and 11 TDs on my fantasy team any day.

LOL at thinking PPR somehow circumvents the flukiness of fantasy football. It is what it is, but fantasy football is designed so even the biggest morons who draft Jamaal Charles over Chris Johnson can field a good team. I thought that aspect would be appealing to you.

And LOL at thinking that the whole point of fantasy football is to elevate players who are "putting in the work". Its stat-based.

Stats based off a body of work. :thumbsup:

You're reading too much into what I'm saying. I play in PPR leagues because I feel like they offer an extra dimension to league play that standard misses. In standard leagues there just isn't much information to process about WR's. Yardage+TDs. Done. In the leagues I play in there are added factors to think about when drafting/signing free agents. It makes Fantasy football more in depth and interesting, considering it's a simple game to start with.

QBs: We look for yardage + (TD to INT efficiency and production), and if at all possible a guy who will get you some extra rushing yards + TDs [ie: Vick, Rodgers]
RBs: We look for rushing yards + TD production. Cherry on top for RBs who are good pass catchers. (In ppr leagues an even bigger bonus) [ie: Forte, MJD]
WRs in Standard: Yardage + TD production. Nothing else really matters...
WRs in PPR: Yardage + TD production. Cherry on top for WRs who catch more passes. [ie: Reggie Wayne, Roddy White]

Simply put, PPR leagues are just an added dimension to an already over simplified game.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

PPR leagues are stupid.

 

[Pitty]

PPR is good, although if used I also prefer a 1/4 point per completion for QBs, as WRs and RBs tend to far outscore the gunslingers.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

.5 PR is the way to go IMO.

 

[NAHSTE]

.5 PR is the way to go IMO.

Definitely better than a full point, but I still think it skews certain players' value too much.