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Top 3 Greatest Coaches Ever

LOL at "nitpicking" qualifications for listing guys when they make no sense.

"Well I never saw the guy so I can't evaluate him......but.......If I had seen him he'd be #1 or #1 or #2."

Based on what? You have no idea what you would have seen...thus the entire point of not being able to evaluate him without seeing him in the first place.

Based on merit and accomplishment Red would get the top spot. But, Red was before my time. Out of respect for his accomplishment I recognize that hes probably the greatest coach in NBA history. However, I never witnessed this.. hence why I gave a separate list for guys I actually got to see coach. I dont see why this is hard to comprehend. Its like even the most simple of things for you has to be a debate.
 
Based on merit and accomplishment Red would get the top spot. But, Red was before my time. Out of respect for his accomplishment I recognize that hes probably the greatest coach in NBA history. However, I never witnessed this.. hence why I gave a separate list for guys I actually got to see coach. I dont see why this is hard to comprehend. Its like even the most simple of things for you has to be a debate.

What if his merits and accomplishments were unwarranted and he wasn't that good of a coach? I mean you have to see him to know if he was or not? Does that make any bit of difference? Seeing someone can influence you either way, as already pointed out.

You've already matter of factly stated that Red is the greatest coach of all time. You haven't seen him. What would seeing him change?

It's not my fault that you insist on talking out both sides of your mouth.
 
You're right, if I saw him coach he might've swayed my vote one way or the other.

I should've said "hes probably the greatest of all time", especially knowing im dealing with someone who nitpicks at every little thing you say and cant just take a point.

I prefer "typing with both of your hands".. cause im really not talking at all.

Oops.. shouldnt be nitpicking!
 
I used to think Phil was overrated.. based on the fact he has had the luxury of coaching 3 of the greatest players in NBA history during their primes.. but no longer do I feel this way, because there are some truly bad coaches that ruin the talent they have at their disposal (*cough* Mike Brown *cough, cough* Stan Van Gundy..)

It's not just saying "Hey.. Michael.. score a basket here" or.. "Hey Shaq, mind throwing that 7-1 white guy around and dunk on his face?"

Phil had to also keep these guys egos in check. And that's a huge task.

I think Phil's the greatest, followed by Red.. followed by Pat Riley.
 
You're right, if I saw him coach he might've swayed my vote one way or the other.

I should've said "hes probably the greatest of all time", especially knowing im dealing with someone who nitpicks at every little thing you say and cant just take a point.

I prefer "typing with both of your hands".. cause im really not talking at all.

Oops.. shouldnt be nitpicking!

Sign language is a form of speech. That's done using your hands.
 
Based on merit and accomplishment Red would get the top spot. But, Red was before my time. Out of respect for his accomplishment I recognize that hes probably the greatest coach in NBA history. However, I never witnessed this.. hence why I gave a separate list for guys I actually got to see coach. I dont see why this is hard to comprehend. Its like even the most simple of things for you has to be a debate.

Riiight...kinda like how "Top 3 Greatest Coaches Ever" should never include Red Auerbach, because no one on this forum got to "see him coach".

Possibly the dumbest sports argument ever put forth. Its not like Auerbach's accomplishments are completely undocumented, so the only way to judge him would have been to 'seen him coach'.

If I started a thread called "Top 3 Presidents Ever", would you replay with "Clinton-Bush-Obama....because I never got to see George Washington 'president'..."
 
Riiight...kinda like how "Top 3 Greatest Coaches Ever" should never include Red Auerbach, because no one on this forum got to "see him coach".

Possibly the dumbest sports argument ever put forth. Its not like Auerbach's accomplishments are completely undocumented, so the only way to judge him would have been to 'seen him coach'.

If I started a thread called "Top 3 Presidents Ever", would you replay with "Clinton-Bush-Obama....because I never got to see George Washington 'president'..."
That must mean Kobe Bryant is the GOAT.. since most of this board is too young to have remembered MJ.
 
Riiight...kinda like how "Top 3 Greatest Coaches Ever" should never include Red Auerbach, because no one on this forum got to "see him coach".

Possibly the dumbest sports argument ever put forth. Its not like Auerbach's accomplishments are completely undocumented, so the only way to judge him would have been to 'seen him coach'.

If I started a thread called "Top 3 Presidents Ever", would you replay with "Clinton-Bush-Obama....because I never got to see George Washington 'president'..."

Kinda the worst reading comprehension in the history of the internet. Never once, did I even come CLOSE to saying any list "should never" include Red. Nor did I say any variation of that, such as "shouldnt include", "is dumb to include", "no way you should include".

Perhaps if your head wasnt permanently intrenched in your ass, you would've seen the point. I said a lot of people arent listing him BECAUSE they havent seen him coach. Perhaps you even ignored the 2nd post of the thread where I PUT RED ON MY LIST.

Jesus christ old man. Go clean your glasses.. your eyesight is obviously hindered by the shit smears all over them.
 
Kinda the worst reading comprehension in the history of the internet. Never once, did I even come CLOSE to saying any list "should never" include Red. Nor did I say any variation of that, such as "shouldnt include", "is dumb to include", "no way you should include".


Jesus christ old man. Go clean your glasses.. your eyesight is obviously hindered by the shit smears all over them.

No, you just said you "can't make that call" making Red #1 because you never saw him coach. So....

1. Red
2. Phil
3. Sloan

Check that.. I never even seen Red coach so I cant make that call.

1. Phil Jackson
2. Jerry Sloan
3. Pat Riley



Go windex your memory.
 
No, you just said you "can't make that call" making Red #1 because you never saw him coach. So....





Go windex your memory.

So why wouldnt I just edit the post and remove Red? Theres a reason I left the top list on there.

Regardless, nowhere did I say "Red should never be on the list". But hey, its fun to read only what you wanna read isnt it? You and Senser are experts in that.
 
So why wouldnt I just edit the post and remove Red? Theres a reason I left the top list on there.
Because you're completely illogical.

Regardless, nowhere did I say "Red should never be on the list".
LOL, now who's nitpicking?

You specifically said that you can't list Red as #1 because "never even seen him" coach.

That doesn't make any damn sense and has already been pointed out as to why.
 
Because you're completely illogical.


LOL, now who's nitpicking?

You specifically said that you can't list Red as #1 because "never even seen him" coach.

That doesn't make any damn sense and has already been pointed out as to why.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. I never once, ever, in history, said Red should never be on a list. I said I cant make that call bcus I never saw him, LEFT the guy on there to prove the point, and you still cant comprehend this. Please, just end your life. Or go join the debate club, you fucking loser.
 
Actually, it makes perfect sense. I never once, ever, in history, said Red should never be on a list. I said I cant make that call bcus I never saw him, LEFT the guy on there to prove the point, and you still cant comprehend this. Please, just end your life. Or go join the debate club, you fucking loser.

Come on Robert. You edited your own list because you said you couldn't make "that call" because you had never seen him coach. Doesn't make any sense.

The only point you proved was that you talk out both sides of your mouth and your standards/qualifications for listing someone make no sense.

You then say Red was the greatest of all time, but you never saw him to confirm that, as if going back in time and watching Red on the bench would hold any bearing on what the guy accomplished. We have enough evidence to show us that Red wasn't just sitting on the bench with his thumb up his ass and was the mastermind behind that dynasty. It's not as if it's up for debate.
 
how much credit should tex winter get in helping phil accumulate rings?

A good amount but Phil gets a lot of credit for keeping Tex around and knowing he needed Tex to succeed and run his system. Sometimes part of being a great coach is being a great delegator.
 
how much credit should tex winter get in helping phil accumulate rings?

I would say 80%...no joke. I remember Jackson falling asleep on the sidelines, waking up, whistling at Jordan, then going back to sleep. The only coach that kept Jackson awake was Pat Riley...those Knicks/Heat series were the only series when Jackson would work the officials, make substitutions, etc.
 
So why wouldnt I just edit the post and remove Red? Theres a reason I left the top list on there.

Regardless, nowhere did I say "Red should never be on the list". But hey, its fun to read only what you wanna read isnt it? You and Senser are experts in that.

In all seriousness...are you retarded? What are we supposed to be thinking at this point? I don't even know what you are trying to say...that you removed Red from your list, but you really didn't, because if you actually removed Red from your list wouldn't you have simply edited the post and removed Red from your list? But you had to remove Red from your list, because you've never "seen him coach".
 
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