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Update: Pac-12 Divisions Official

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Looks like this could be the official breakdown.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5686274

Division A:
Arizona
Arizona St
Colorado
UCLA
USC
Utah

Division B:
Cal
Oregon
Oregon St.
Stanford
Washington
Washington St.


Seems okay to me, not sure what Haden is bitching about.

"I told [the rest of the athletic directors] my alumni will kill me if we don’t play the Northern California schools," Haden said.

"I proposed a 5-2-2 model that has us playing the five schools [in our division] every year and then have the Northern California schools as part of our regular two and then rotate the other two. We need to play Stanford and Cal."


Um, who is saying you can't? What is with these ADs and school presidents making this way more complicated than it has to be? The SEC gave you a fucking template on how to make it work, and the ACC gave you a template on how to not make it work. It's not rocket science, do the plan that works (SEC now does a 5-1-2 rotation but it was 5-2-1 for the first 10 or so years) and quit fucking bitching.
 
I can see his gripe kind of. Why would you want to play Arizona, Colorado, Utah and Arizona State when you already have long standing rivalries tied up with Stanford in Cal.

The 5-2-2 model makes sense, but so does putting Cal and Stanford in the same division as USC and UCLA.
 
This kind of expected, one of the main reasons CU went to the Pac10 is because they reassurances that they would be included in a division that showcased southern California.

Great news for CU! They have a very big alumni base in southern Cal. Also I think CU could do very well selling this to possible recruits in that area. Can't wait for that CU vs Utah game next year.
 
I can see his gripe kind of. Why would you want to play Arizona, Colorado, Utah and Arizona State when you already have long standing rivalries tied up with Stanford in Cal.

The 5-2-2 model makes sense, but so does putting Cal and Stanford in the same division as USC and UCLA.

The same reason Alabama plays Arkansas and Mississippi State instead of its longstanding rivalry with Tennessee ... oh wait.

Geographical split+cross-divisional permanent opponents=success

Why exactly does it matter whether USC is in the same division as Cal and Stanford, if they'll still play every year in a 5-2-2? If you play them every year, you play them every year.


USC is gonna dominate their division

No they won't. Utah is here to stay, especially now that they are in an AQ. And Colorado is a sleeping giant which will only get better and more attractive to recruits with the increased revenue.
 
The same reason Alabama plays Arkansas and Mississippi State instead of No they won't. Utah is here to stay, especially now that they are in an AQ. And Colorado is a sleeping giant which will only get better and more attractive to recruits with the increased revenue.

you cant say after the bowl suspension is over they wont be the favorite
 
you cant say after the bowl suspension is over they wont be the favorite

He can say whatever he wants. Until the games are played, we won't know. Oregon's playing lights-out, as they have, Arizona is in the top ten, California has been pretty good, UCLA's having a decent season, Oregon State is playing well, Stanford is playing well, and Kiffin has no idea how to get players to tackle or how to manage a clock.

I'm not counting anyone out, and I'm not prognosticating about the future until at least the end of this season.
 
Yea this is fine, can't see any other way it could of been done, need to have Californian schools in both divisions and this is the obvious split.
 
He can say whatever he wants. Until the games are played, we won't know. Oregon's playing lights-out, as they have, Arizona is in the top ten, California has been pretty good, UCLA's having a decent season, Oregon State is playing well, Stanford is playing well, and Kiffin has no idea how to get players to tackle or how to manage a clock.

I'm not counting anyone out, and I'm not prognosticating about the future until at least the end of this season.

the bolded teams arent even in the same division as USC :facepalm:

Favorite, yeah, but they won't win every year.

obviously they wont win every year, but theyll win more than anyone else

Cyclical.

Makes little sense when people analyze splits in this manner.

completely agree, but none of the other teams in that division have the recruiting prowess of USC
 
UPDATE: Divisional alignment went official. Here's the whole article, minus a few paragraphs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5711336

The new Pac-12 conference approved football divisions that will split the California schools and adopted an equal revenue-sharing plan Thursday as the league presidents and chancellors hashed out the important issues that arose because of recent expansion.

The most anticipated decision was the division alignment. The league decided to split the California schools, with Stanford and Cal playing in the North Division with Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State. UCLA and Southern California will be in the South with Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado.

"If you were just looking at a map, you'd look at something that makes complete sense," Arizona State athletic director Lisa Love said. "You have a group of schools that fit naturally into a southern section and schools that fit naturally into a northern section. If you were watching the divisions from, say, New York City, you'd have an idea of what that southern division looks like, so it's as it should be and an excellent split for the league."

The conference did vote to keep the historic California rivalries. The Bay Area schools have played the Los Angeles schools every year since 1946 in rivalries that started long before that. Cal and Stanford will each play UCLA and USC every year in football.

"It was something all four of the California schools from minute one stated as essential to us," Cal athletic director Sandy Barbour said. "We would not have been in favor of any deal or ultimate resolution that did not provide that as an opportunity."

USC athletic director Pat Haden had been vocal in advocating that the Los Angeles schools still play the other California rivals.

The other cross-divisional games in the nine-game conference schedule will rotate, with the Oregon and Washington schools playing in Los Angeles every other year as opposed to the current annual trips. The Northwest schools would either play both Los Angeles schools every other year or one LA school each year.

Washington athletic director Scott Woodward said he talked with coach Steve Sarkisian about losing the annual trip to Los Angeles.

"We like being in LA, but like coach said they'll be sick of seeing him in LA in January when he's living down there recruiting his tail off," Woodward said. "What the CEOs did as a conference eclipses any small nuances."

"When you think about the history of the games, we've played Cal for nearly 100 years, Stanford for 80-some. They've been historic games, great memories, memorable moments in those games," Haden said. "At the end of the day, the presidents did a great job because they were able to preserve the rivalries -- not only from USC's perspective, as I understand it, but Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State and all those schools."

...

The conference also formally approved a football championship game with the start of division play. NCAA rules require 12 teams and two divisions to stage a lucrative championship game. The Pac-12 will hold its game at the campus site of the division champion with the best conference record.

Scott said the conference chose a campus site over a neutral location to create a superior environment and to reward the better team. He said he was not concerned about bad weather in December, saying it's something the NFL deals with in its playoffs.

"I think we also said this is football. That was part of the answer also," said Arizona State President Michael Crow, the chairman of the Pac-10 CEO Group.

These changes will be in place next season instead of 2012-13 because Colorado was able to negotiate an approximately $6.8 million deal to leave the Big 12 a year earlier than originally planned.

"I think that's why it was important for us to join in 2011 because it allows the Big 12 Conference to make positive moves for their league and allows the Pac-12 to be the Pac-12," Colorado AD Mike Bohn said.

...

There will be no divisions in other sports. In basketball, instead of playing a home-and-home round robin, teams will play their traditional rival twice each season. They will also play six other teams in a home-and-home each season with one game against the other four teams. Those will rotate to guarantee an even distribution of games. Utah and Colorado will be considered rivals for that purpose.





The non-divisional setup for basketball seems weird to me. Just a weird scheduling rotation. As for football, I like that the number one team will host the championship game, that should guarantee a good atmosphere for the game, and avoid situations like the ACC deals with when BC only brings 5,000 fans to Jacksonville.
 
the bolded teams arent even in the same division as USC :facepalm:

My point was that there's parity in the Pac-10, soon to be Pac-12. Anywho, Arizona State's been good in the past; I mentioned Arizona; Utah's been good - that's why they're in the conference; UCLA is wishy-washy, but they did upset Texas (and then got murdered by Oregon) :ionno:; can't speak on Colorado.

obviously they wont win every year, but theyll win more than anyone else

completely agree, but none of the other teams in that division have the recruiting prowess of USC[/B]

I certainly hope so.
 
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