VSN Community Quarter Length Poll

[Aso]

Accelerated clock gives games an arcade feel? This is new.

 

[Herm]

THAT's what i'm sayin'.. I even went as far as to "think about" the 7mins. -w-
acc, but there's just something about how quick those clicks down that gives
it an arcade feel, not a sim feel.. So needless to say I think a straight-6 -w-
no acc would be the shot.. In years past I know that there was NEVER an
acc clock for MM/VSN created room games (aka the trackers), just seems to
take out the authentic sim way of playing.. just my .02



Preach it bruddah' ZEUS!!!! (I dig it!.. why reinvent the wheel ??)



As it has been and as it should be!





NW.

So its sim to call a play with 4 seconds left in a half from the playcall screen and be able to get that play off after breaking a huddle like you can with no accelerated clock?



Acc clock stops the guys who make 10 preplay adjustments and forces you to go with what you call more often than not.

 

[Virix]

So its sim to call a play with 4 seconds left in a half from the playcall screen and be able to get that play off after breaking a huddle like you can with no accelerated clock?



Acc clock stops the guys who make 10 preplay adjustments and forces you to go with what you call more often than not.

Thats how i feel on it. It is NOT sim to be able to get to the line with 30 seconds or more left on the playclock. I really dont understand how ANYONE can think thats more realistic.

 

[NWSaint]

So its sim to call a play with 4 seconds left in a half from the playcall screen and be able to get that play off after breaking a huddle like you can with no accelerated clock?



Acc clock stops the guys who make 10 preplay adjustments and forces you to go with what you call more often than not.

Herm..

I don't know, I thought that's what clock mgmt. & t/o's were for.. I could be
wrong though.. and as far as making pre-play adjustments go, remember,
they have just so much time before getting the delay penalty, and if they're
making that many adjustments then perhaps, just perhaps mind you, they're
seeing some kinda' crack in a "D" where they can possibly thread a needle &
do what it takes to get 6.. Now again, I could be wrong on all the above, but
if memory serves me correct the game is about strategy to win.. I mean when
you watch the NFL on t.v. does the clock all of a sudden click down super
quick ?? or do teams use their t/o's to their advantage and try to counter
what the other side is doing ??.. Herm, I respect ya man, always have, but I
stand pretty firm on the issue of an acc. clock, it's just not something that's
naturally in the game, and again, i'm not tryin' to offend you in any kinda'
way, we go back too far for all that, just tryin' to make my point, that's all.




NW.

 

[leaffan]

Herm..

I don't know, I thought that's what clock mgmt. & t/o's were for.. I could be
wrong though.. and as far as making pre-play adjustments go, remember,
they have just so much time before getting the delay penalty, and if they're
making that many adjustments then perhaps, just perhaps mind you, they're
seeing some kinda' crack in a "D" where they can possibly thread a needle &
do what it takes to get 6.. Now again, I could be wrong on all the above, but
if memory serves me correct the game is about strategy to win.. I mean when
you watch the NFL on t.v. does the clock all of a sudden click down super
quick ?? or do teams use their t/o's to their advantage and try to counter
what the other side is doing ??.. Herm, I respect ya man, always have, but I
stand pretty firm on the issue of an acc. clock, it's just not something that's
naturally in the game, and again, i'm not tryin' to offend you in any kinda'
way, we go back too far for all that, just tryin' to make my point, that's all.




NW.

I haven't played madden in years but I'll say this.

Playing long qtr games without acc clock is about as unsim as you can get. This whole nonsense about this:

Now again, I could be wrong on all the above, but
if memory serves me correct the game is about strategy to win.. I mean when
you watch the NFL on t.v. does the clock all of a sudden click down super
quick ??

is wrong. In the NFL most teams will break the huddle and come to the line with roughly 15 to 20 seconds left on the play clock. They have personal changes and the play call to make to the QB and then huddle which takes a hell of a lot longer then click left few times on your game controller and hitting a button to call a play. When the huddle breaks minimal adjustments are made in this time period because you frankly don't have the time. Away teams will rarely make many changes outside of 1 or 2 audibles due to crowd noise.

In madden if you don't have the accel clock on your breaking the huddle with at least 35 to 30 seconds left in the play clock and the ton of hot routing, formation changes and such you can do in that time span is completely unrealistic and very unsim like. The only thing a no accel clock mimics in terms of realism is a peyton manning no huddle offense and thats about it.

Acc. clock has been as close to realism as you can have in terms of simulating the stuff you simply bypass in madden because its a video game and everything is instant. The only way they can change that is to change the way playcalling and substitutions are done which would be a very massive undertaking.

 

[NWSaint]

I haven't played madden in years but I'll say this.

Playing long qtr games without acc clock is about as unsim as you can get.

SOLID answer!.. and while I respect it, I just gotta ask, are 6min qtrs.
really that long ?? Like my boy ZEUS said, this isn't rocket science.. 6min.
qtrs. used to be the standard.. did I miss something somewhere ?? Just
curious.



NW.

 

[x0xHumblex0x]

SOLID answer!.. and while I respect it, I just gotta ask, are 6min qtrs.
really that long ?? Like my boy ZEUS said, this isn't rocket science.. 6min.
qtrs. used to be the standard.. did I miss something somewhere ?? Just
curious.
NW.

AM used to be the standard as setting as well. I definitely missed something. then again, its not "Rocket Science"

 

[leaffan]

SOLID answer!.. and while I respect it, I just gotta ask, are 6min qtrs.
really that long ?? Like my boy ZEUS said, this isn't rocket science.. 6min.
qtrs. used to be the standard.. did I miss something somewhere ?? Just
curious.



NW.

I used to play 11 or 12min with accel clock on in my online leagues and offline franchises way back in the day and we had some pretty good games with the stat line of plays run pretty close to an avg. NFL game. Trying to get things like avg. yards, tds and such is fairly difficult in a video game thanks to so many different variables from the real game but I always found that if you kept the same amount of plays around the same as the NFL avg you would end up with decent stats.

In terms of your guys discussion it comes down to this. 5 or 6min qtrs with no accel clock introduces you have to sit at the line for 30+ seconds while the offensive guy changes every recievers hot route or changes the play completely and the defensive guy having the ability to change every single defensive players play up based on what he sees with the offense. You don't get 30 seconds in real life to do that so if you want to play sim then why should you get that in game time. 7 or 8min qtrs with accel clock should play about the same amount of time as the 5/6with no accel clock but the biggest difference is you only get 15 seconds after breaking the huddle to get a couple reads in and get the play off.

It's kind of funny you guys are having this discussion now because this is about the same thing we talked about back in madden 2002/03 on the pc when accel clock was introduced I think lol.

 

[killgod]

11/12 mins with AC typically give you that 120 plays per game. I ran tonnes of PC games on those settings, modified rosters to stretch the ratings (remember when EA finally did that in 09?), good times those were. Custom team franchises were awesome.

 

[NWSaint]

7 or 8min qtrs with accel clock should play about the same amount of time as the 5/6with no accel clock but the biggest difference is you only get 15 seconds after breaking the huddle to get a couple reads in and get the play off.

True.. hence being more realistic.. 7 or 8's I could see with an acc clock when
it's broke down like that, makes total sense, call the play, snap the ball,
rollin'.. and perhaps time for an adjustment or two on either side, just not
like bigtime adjustments, toned down just enough to give it a more sense
of realism.. got it!.. that post definetly got my attention............thx!



NW.

 

[steeljake]

6-8 mins with acc clock is what i like. i love acc clock that way you dont have to hear people crying about getting the clcok run on them.

 

[dave]

True.. hence being more realistic.. 7 or 8's I could see with an acc clock when
it's broke down like that, makes total sense, call the play, snap the ball,
rollin'.. and perhaps time for an adjustment or two on either side, just not
like bigtime adjustments, toned down just enough to give it a more sense
of realism.. got it!.. that post definetly got my attention............thx!



NW.

Leaffan was totally right about that one, NW. Too be honest, you're a great guy, but the 20 seconds of line adjustments got on my nerves. Other than Peyton Manning, no one does that in the NFL.
It didn't get on my nerves because I thought you were a cheeser, it got on my nerves because I want to play the fucking game, not just look at my TV screen.

AM used to be the standard as setting as well. I definitely missed something. then again, its not "Rocket Science"

All-pro is fine in this game. No one is ever gonna agree on slider changes, so I suspect that's out the window ... which is kinda sad.