Warriors fire Mark Jackson

[Glenbino]

It seems many of you put him on that Vinny DelNegro level. Jackson certainly has his issues, but the NBA isn't about the coach. When was the last time a great coach won the championship? I don't think Jackson's flaws as a coach were holding this team back. It is obvious this was not a basketball decision.

Carlisle won a few years back... I think coaching can make a huge difference like we've seen in San Antonio or when Phil was running things in Chicago and LA.

I think as the CBA limits player movement and the ability to build super teams, it will be the teams with strong organizational philosophies that contend regularly.

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[ralaw]

Carlisle won a few years back... I think coaching can make a huge difference like we've seen in San Antonio or when Phil was running things in Chicago and LA.

I think as the CBA limits player movement and the ability to build super teams, it will be the teams with strong organizational philosophies that contend regularly.

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Great coaching shows during the regular season. A team consistently in contention is about coaching and system, but winning championships is about having the best players. Those Spurs had a prime Duncan who is the GOAT at PF. Those Lakers teams had a prime Shaq and Kobe. Chicago? We all know that story. Those teams were the best in the league and had the best players at the time

I'm not saying coaching doesn't have a part, but the NBA has always been about the players. In reality the NBA only has about 3 great coaches and the rest are decent to good with the difference being the quality of players on the roster.

 

[Glenbino]

Great coaching shows during the regular season. A team consistently in contention is about coaching and system, but winning championships is about having the best players. Those Spurs had a prime Duncan who is the GOAT at PF. Those Lakers teams had a prime Shaq and Kobe. Chicago? We all know that story. Those teams were the best in the league and had the best players at the time

I'm not saying coaching doesn't have a part, but the NBA has always been about the players. In reality the NBA only has about 3 great coaches and the rest are decent to good with the difference being the quality of players on the roster.

I understand what you're saying, but the fact is that it takes an organization to put a winner on the floor. It was clear that there was an major organizational disconnect in Oakland, most notably between the owner and head coach.

 

[ralaw]

I understand what you're saying, but the fact is that it takes an organization to put a winner on the floor. It was clear that there was an major organizational disconnect in Oakland, most notably between the owner and head coach.

I agree, which is why I said this was not a basketball move. They had a young coach learning and growing with a young team that believed in him. The teams hasn't shown signs of struggling in big moments. They simply have lost to better and more experienced teams. I just disagree with those saying Jackson doesn't have what it takes to be a championship coach...IMO he does, but his team just isn't there yet.

In the end you have to get along with the owner and more notably their kids, which is why Jackson is on the street.

 

[Influence]

 

[Senser81]

I agree, which is why I said this was not a basketball move. They had a young coach learning and growing with a young team that believed in him. The teams hasn't shown signs of struggling in big moments. They simply have lost to better and more experienced teams. I just disagree with those saying Jackson doesn't have what it takes to be a championship coach...IMO he does, but his team just isn't there yet.

In the end you have to get along with the owner and more notably their kids, which is why Jackson is on the street.

The most damning thing I heard about Jackson is that his assistant coaches ended up hating him, so I don't know if you could say that Jackson was learning and growing. If you can't get along with the people who are doing the actual coaching (i.e. the assistants), then you probably will have issues being an NBA Head Coach.

Its weird to me that the NBA and the MLB can hire guys who have no coaching experience whatsoever to be HCs/Managers. Its even weirder that half of these ex-player/no coaching experience guys are such hotheads that they can't even just let everyone else do their jobs.

 

[FedEx227]

Great coaching shows during the regular season. A team consistently in contention is about coaching and system, but winning championships is about having the best players. Those Spurs had a prime Duncan who is the GOAT at PF. Those Lakers teams had a prime Shaq and Kobe. Chicago? We all know that story. Those teams were the best in the league and had the best players at the time

Coaches still put those guys in that situation. Doug Collins had Pippen and Jordan too and did squat with them, it took Jackson as a calming influence to get to Jordan, make him realize he had to trust his teammates and the rest is history.

We don't know for sure what Duncan would've been without Pop but to not give him credit for helping the longevity of Duncan's career by continually altering HOW and when Duncan gets the ball would be silly.

I think a similar thing will happen if/when the Thunder hire someone worth a damn. We'll say Coach X wasn't that great because he had Durant and Westbrook ignoring that Brooks has them and can't possibly draw up a set that's more creative than Durant taking a contested 35 footer to try and win the game.

 

[Senser81]

When was the last time a great coach won the championship?

Didn't Pat Riley win one last year?

 

[ralaw]

Coaches still put those guys in that situation. Doug Collins had Pippen and Jordan too and did squat with them, it took Jackson as a calming influence to get to Jordan, make him realize he had to trust his teammates and the rest is history.

We don't know for sure what Duncan would've been without Pop but to not give him credit for helping the longevity of Duncan's career by continually altering HOW and when Duncan gets the ball would be silly.

I think a similar thing will happen if/when the Thunder hire someone worth a damn. We'll say Coach X wasn't that great because he had Durant and Westbrook ignoring that Brooks has them and can't possibly draw up a set that's more creative than Durant taking a contested 35 footer to try and win the game.

I do think coaches make a difference, but I do not believe the coach needs to have the "elite" or "great" label to win a championship. As with any coach if Jackson has the players I believe he could win a championship.....even with his flaws.

I really can't remember the last time I saw a coach run a play that allowed his best player to get a clean shot off to win a game. In those situations the play is always give it to James, Kobe, Parker, etc and wait for them to make a play.

There are some coaches that can get their best players in a easier position to attack a defense, but tho see types far and few between.

 

[FedEx227]

Didn't Pat Riley win one last year?

Spoelstra is a good coach. People like to assume he's just some random guy they plucked to coach a team of stars but he's a basketball nerd through and through, video coordinator for years and worked his way up there. He transformed the team after the first year when they really didn't run any sets and has found ways to maximize LeBron. Not saying he's responsible for it but the "oh anyone can coach that team to a championship" narrative is pretty poor.

 

[Influence]

Spoelstra is a good coach. People like to assume he's just some random guy they plucked to coach a team of stars but he's a basketball nerd through and through, video coordinator for years and worked his way up there. He transformed the team after the first year when they really didn't run any sets and has found ways to maximize LeBron. Not saying he's responsible for it but the "oh anyone can coach that team to a championship" narrative is pretty poor.

You're right. Lebron James isn't that good at all and is lucky to have Spoelstra telling him what to do. It's crazy to think where he would have been without that great coaching mind.

 

[FedEx227]

That's exactly what I said. Thanks for totally grasping my point.

:suicide:

Not really going to waste my time for a "LULZ LEBRON IS GOOD YOU IDIOT, IT DONT MATTER WHO COACHES HIM" post so here's some reading if you're actually serious about learning:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...makes-miami-heats-pace-and-space-offense-work

http://grantland.com/features/how-miami-heat-went-historic-winning-streak-came-dominate-league/

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Heat in Year 1 with LeBron and Year 2 and forward are completely different teams. The difference was Spo going from being just a guy on the bus (which he was in the first year, where he got this GenPop reputation for being that guy) to being the GPS.

 

[FedEx227]

Exactly. He let the inmates run the asylum the first year and what we saw was Take-Turn ISO sets and Wade and LeBron getting equal parts of the offense.

Since then they've completely transformed their sets, LeBron has become the primary ballhandler, Bosh was instructed to learn how to shoot threes and they are so much more fluid and spread out and rarely if ever run straight ISO.

 

[Influence]

Exactly. He let the inmates run the asylum the first year and what we saw was Take-Turn ISO sets and Wade and LeBron getting equal parts of the offense.

Since then they've completely transformed their sets, LeBron has become the primary ballhandler, Bosh was instructed to learn how to shoot threes and they are so much more fluid and spread out and rarely if ever run straight ISO.

I agree 100%. Lebron wouldn't be anywhere without Spoelstra.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I agree 100%. Lebron wouldn't be anywhere without Spoelstra.

You should disappear for half the year like Roy Hibbert.

:rambo:

 

[Influence]

Ya'll funny, no sarcasm.

 

[Herm]

Do the Knicks pull the trigger on Mark Jackson if Steve Kerr keeps pussyfooting around?




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[EmpireWF]

Do the Knicks pull the trigger on Mark Jackson if Steve Kerr keeps pussyfooting around?




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Not a chance. Whether it's Kerr or not, the new coach will be someone from Phil Jackson's circle.

 

[Herm]

Thats what i thought as well Empire the few Knicks fans i know are salivating at the chance to get Mark Jackson.