Week 1: Dallas @ Tampa Bay

[dboy_dc]

Says the guy with the ridiculous avatar.

but yall lost to us when Brad Johnson was playing... We'll win

 

[BigBucs]

but yall lost to us when Brad Johnson was playing... We'll win

I dont expect anything else from an arrogant Dallas fan. You dudes have been one of the most disappointing franchises this past decade.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

And again, I expected more. The Glazers cant win. We roll into the season with the same old faces and coaching staff and again we are an old defense with a coach who complicates the O. I was tired of the same ol 3 and out offense. How about giving the new regime a chance before condeming them.

The team hasnt even loss a game yet and all the negative Nancys over at the TBB is acting as if the sky is falling. Regardless of how the season goes we needed change from top to bottom. We get a lot younger and have weapons in place to succeed. If Leftwich gives us decent QB play we can have a lot better season than some so called fans think.

Not about drinking kool-aid its about believing in your team and being optimistic until they give you a reason not to. All of this panicking and jumping off the deep end from our "fan" base is ridiculous. How about letting them take a snap and play half the season before shitting on Raheim and Co. I read the message board daily and wonder why these people even are fans.

Correction. The Glazers can win. They can win by showing a commitment to the community and the organization. I have been a staunch supporter of the Glazers, but, they have shifted their focus onto Manchester United. They don't play their bills and they put all their liquidity into ManU. Do you really think Raheem was hired because he was the best candidate? He's cheap and the Glazers didn't do their due diligence. Why do you think I am so pissed? We are heading in a direction that is eerily similar to the Culverhouse days. There is a reason, that the Bucs offered guaranteed money instead of signing bonuses. Guaranteed money is a part of the salary and is paid out after the revenue sharing is dispersed. Signing bonuses are paid immediately upon commencement of the signing of a contract or it is paid out in installments quarterly.

I can't comment on the TBBMB as I hardly ever go there. It has always been an awful forum. However, some of the forums I have visited are not condeming Raheem simply because they don't like him. Many people are seeing that he has no direction. He says one thing publicly and then a week later changes his direction. It's fine if you see a need for change and you make the appropriate changes. Problems arise when you continue to admit you made mistakes and keep making changes. It makes people question when a correct decision gonna be made. Raheem can only be judged by his body of work thus far. And I can tell you that he is so focused on putting his stamp on the team that he is ignoring those who could provide valuable input. You don't actually think that everyone was on board with Josh Freeman do you? I came on this board and said Vontae Davis was a big favorite among those on the staff. Come draft day, NFL Network reported that the Bucs traded up to take either Vontae Davis or Josh Freeman. You don't think certain personnel men or a certain defensive coordinator wasn't pissed at the Freeman pick. There are people in that organization that believe Josh was/is a reach for a first round pick, but, for the good of the organization, they tow the line. Lucky for me, I don't work for the organization and I can criticize the selection. Add into the fact that he has had one of the worst preseasons for any rookie quarterback and that their are criticisms of him regarding his inability to even read a base defense and people are already worried. Raheem isn't though because he has a personal connection to the kid. That's what the pick was based on. A personal bias. Not tape, not evaluation, not scouting. It is the Chris Simms pick by McKay all over again.

I have seen enough mistakes and have heard enough about Sunshine behind the curtain to know that this was a poor choice. You may need more time, but, eventually you'll see and you'll realize that Sunshine is a product of Pat Bowlen hype that was created to bring down the asking price of Josh McDaniels and the unintended fall out was that the Glazers had a knee-jerk reaction and fired one accomplished coach for another who is unproven and also helped orchestrate the dismissal of Gruden...oh and he works cheap.

 

[Rayman]

I dont expect anything else from an arrogant Dallas fan. You dudes have been one of the most disappointing franchises this past decade.

Hypocrisy at it's best. You're over here blasting a fellow fan for not "believing" and then you turn around and rail on us for doing just that.

Fact is, he's 100% right. This team got beat by a team QB'd by Brad Johnson, without BOTH starting CBs, Cory Proctor playing on the line, and without one of the league's best punters.

None of that will be the case on Sunday.

Just sayin'.

 

[kbpsu]

I hate to sound like such a flippin' 'tard but please explain the 4-point favorites. Does that mean the Cowboys are expected to win by no more than 4 points?

Meaning, I should bet on the Cowboys winning by more than 4 points, right?

This is why I don't gamble, lol.

So, the minus 4 line means that they are favored by 4 points. Meaning, if you look at the score when the game starts, instead of 0-0, it will be 0 - (-4).

If the final score of the game is Cowboys 31 Bucs 24, you win your bet because the Cowboys final score (with the spread) would be 26.5 - 24.

If the final score is Cowboys 21 Bucs 20, you would lose. The final score with the spread would be Cowboys 16.5 Bucs 20. Then you would lose.

Inversely, you can do the same for Bucs +4.5.

 

[BigBucs]

Correction. The Glazers can win. They can win by showing a commitment to the community and the organization. I have been a staunch supporter of the Glazers, but, they have shifted their focus onto Manchester United. They don't play their bills and they put all their liquidity into ManU. Do you really think Raheem was hired because he was the best candidate? He's cheap and the Glazers didn't do their due diligence. Why do you think I am so pissed? We are heading in a direction that is eerily similar to the Culverhouse days. There is a reason, that the Bucs offered guaranteed money instead of signing bonuses. Guaranteed money is a part of the salary and is paid out after the revenue sharing is dispersed. Signing bonuses are paid immediately upon commencement of the signing of a contract or it is paid out in installments quarterly.

I can't comment on the TBBMB as I hardly ever go there. It has always been an awful forum. However, some of the forums I have visited are not condeming Raheem simply because they don't like him. Many people are seeing that he has no direction. He says one thing publicly and then a week later changes his direction. It's fine if you see a need for change and you make the appropriate changes. Problems arise when you continue to admit you made mistakes and keep making changes. It makes people question when a correct decision gonna be made. Raheem can only be judged by his body of work thus far. And I can tell you that he is so focused on putting his stamp on the team that he is ignoring those who could provide valuable input. You don't actually think that everyone was on board with Josh Freeman do you? I came on this board and said Vontae Davis was a big favorite among those on the staff. Come draft day, NFL Network reported that the Bucs traded up to take either Vontae Davis or Josh Freeman. You don't think certain personnel men or a certain defensive coordinator wasn't pissed at the Freeman pick. There are people in that organization that believe Josh was/is a reach for a first round pick, but, for the good of the organization, they tow the line. Lucky for me, I don't work for the organization and I can criticize the selection. Add into the fact that he has had one of the worst preseasons for any rookie quarterback and that their are criticisms of him regarding his inability to even read a base defense and people are already worried. Raheem isn't though because he has a personal connection to the kid. That's what the pick was based on. A personal bias. Not tape, not evaluation, not scouting. It is the Chris Simms pick by McKay all over again.

I have seen enough mistakes and have heard enough about Sunshine behind the curtain to know that this was a poor choice. You may need more time, but, eventually you'll see and you'll realize that Sunshine is a product of Pat Bowlen hype that was created to bring down the asking price of Josh McDaniels and the unintended fall out was that the Glazers had a knee-jerk reaction and fired one accomplished coach for another who is unproven and also helped orchestrate the dismissal of Gruden...oh and he works cheap.

Im sure you may hear much more than I do since you live in the area but despite all the inside information and all the rumors you may hear about Raheem, like him or not, he is our coach. I refuse to discredit him and write him off until I see what he can do for us this season. Like they say about the players in the league, its all about what you do with your oppurtunitys. Nobody knows what Raheem can do until given the oppurtunity.

I agree Freeman has looked terrible in the pre season (he just stares down receivers and doesnt go through his progressions) and I wasnt to happy about the pick but he will be suiting up in the Pewter and Red this season so all I can do is support him and the organization and hope he reaches his potential and hope we field a competitive team.

There has been some good and bad things during the pre season but at the end of the day its just that, the pre season. Everyone is 0-0 now. I am a wait and see type of person. You or I dont know what the future holds. Until we are officially one of the worst teams in the league I support Raheem and the Buccaneers organization.

As for Gruden the Glazers are still paying the man so I doubt it was all about money.

 

[BigBucs]

Hypocrisy at it's best. You're over here blasting a fellow fan for not "believing" and then you turn around and rail on us for doing just that.

Fact is, he's 100% right. This team got beat by a team QB'd by Brad Johnson, without BOTH starting CBs, Cory Proctor playing on the line, and without one of the league's best punters.

None of that will be the case on Sunday.

Just sayin'.

Im not "railing" on anyone for not believing. Im railing on him for taking the same tone you are taking right now. You Dallas fans kill me acting as if your shit dont stink when you dudes have done nothing but choked year after year yet you would think you were the Patriots with all the media hype and nose in the air attitude your fan base has. Didnt the Cowboys get humiliated by the Rams and blown out 44-6 in a win or go home scenario in the last game of the season?

A little humility may be what you underachieving high profile bums may need. What you gonna say when you get booed out of that Billion dollar stadium of your this year? Who will be the scape goat this year since T.O is gone? Difference between my team and yours is nobody expects us to do anything yet you along with the media expects the Cowboys to win a chip every year but you cant even compete for a division title.

Make sure your house is clean before you try to clean someone elses. Last I checked we both finished 9-7, third in our division and choked away a playoff opportunity last year. We were a bad team as was the Cowboys last season. But you are "Americas Team" so that reality isnt existent in you alls world.

FYI you wont finish better than third in your division this year and you will be clawing for a playoff spot yet again. And Jerry Jones will be pulling a Glazers move when he clears house in the off season.

 

[bringbackjimmy]

Im not "railing" on anyone for not believing. Im railing on him for taking the same tone you are taking right now. You Dallas fans kill me acting as if your shit dont stink when you dudes have done nothing but choked year after year yet you would think you were the Patriots with all the media hype and nose in the air attitude your fan base has. Didnt the Cowboys get humiliated by the Rams and blown out 44-6 in a win or go home scenario in the last game of the season?

A little humility may be what you underachieving high profile bums may need. What you gonna say when you get booed out of that Billion dollar stadium of your this year? Who will be the scape goat this year since T.O is gone? Difference between my team and yours is nobody expects us to do anything yet you along with the media expects the Cowboys to win a chip every year but you cant even compete for a division title.

Make sure your house is clean before you try to clean someone elses. Last I checked we both finished 9-7, third in our division and choked away a playoff opportunity last year. We were a bad team as was the Cowboys last season. But you are "Americas Team" so that reality isnt existent in you alls world.

FYI you wont finish better than third in your division this year and you will be clawing for a playoff spot yet again. And Jerry Jones will be pulling a Glazers move when he clears house in the off season.

Nobody is being arrogant here. Just stating the facts.

If you guys can't beat the cowboys without:
Romo
Felix
both starting CB's
And Mcbriar

how do you expect to come close to winning with them all back? we may not be suber bowl bound, but we sure are a hell lot better than the Buccs...35-10 Cowboys

 

[BigBucs]

Nobody is being arrogant here. Just stating the facts.

If you guys can't beat the cowboys without:
Romo
Felix
both starting CB's
And Mcbriar

how do you expect to come close to winning with them all back? we may not be suber bowl bound, but we sure are a hell lot better than the Buccs...35-10 Cowboys

Not arrogant? Your post proves otherwise. We loss a close game and if you watched the game you know we gave you lots of help. The 2 penaltys that kept your drive going at the end of the 1st half and the fumble inside our own 20 on the insuing kickoff of the second half by or Pro Bowl rookie KR in his 1st game action which we held you all to 3. Dont act like we just got handled. And as if you are the only team with injurys. Can I use Tenard Jackson, our starting free S as a crutch since he isnt playing in our 1st 4 games? No, you suit up who is on your roster. The next man doesnt give a fuck about whos injured. Were those players all out when you got taken to the wood shed in week 17 last year? Dallas fans need to STFU and hope you can win a playoff game.

LOL @ helluva lot better than the Bucs. Again you finished 9-7 just like us. Unless you have seen some games I havent this season we both are 0-0 and nobody knows who is a "helluva" lot better than anyone. I was singing the same BS song last season about the Falcons and look where they were at the end of the season and were the Bucs and Cowboys were.

35-10? Be serious.

 

[BigBucs]

lol...are you comparing the loss of an average safety to the loss of an elite corner, an above average qb, and a game breaking hb?

I think you are missing the point. I sure hope Dallas wins this game.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

lol...are you comparing the loss of an average safety to the loss of an elite corner, an above average qb, and a game breaking hb?

I think you may be missing the mark too. Tanard is far from average. Just because he plays in Tampa and doesn't get as much love as other safeties in the league does not mean he is average.

 

[Rayman]

I think you are missing the point. I sure hope Dallas wins this game.

I think you're the one who missed the point.

I haven't said a word this entire offseason about Super Bowl, or championship, or "this is the year". Frankly, this team doesn't deserve that.

However, your implying that the media says the opposite is another example of you being so blinded by your hate that you have no clue what's going on. I have not seen one, not ONE media outlet even predicting the Cowboys make the playoffs. So get off that particular high horse.

Second, I'm talking about this game, right here. I'm not talking about "your house" or "my house". I couldn't give two quarts of monkey piss what the idiots in Tampa's front office have done to your team. I only care about the idiot in Dallas' front office. When this game is over, regardless if it's win or lose, I'll go my way, you'll go yours, "Good luck the rest of the way".

You can call it arrogance if you want. Dallas is the better team, and I'm looking at this as objectively as possible. The only way they lose this game is if they shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly. And while they're prone to doing that, I don't think it'll be enough to hand his game over.

Now you can either calm the fuck down and accept that that's the way I feel, or you can have another little rant about how my team sucks and is the epitome of fail.

Something tells me it'll be the latter.

 

[Tailback U]

Dallas fans are almost as bad as Miami's.

Last year doesn't mean much anymore, for either of these teams, because they have made some big changes.

Dallas is and should be favored simply because Tampa Bay has a brand new QB and head coach, but anything can happen in the NFL, Dallas fans of all people should know this by now.

Really hope Tampa Bay wins so I can hear all the Dallas cocksuckers whine and bitch and make some stupid ass excuse up.

 

[Rayman]

Dallas fans are almost as bad as Miami's.

Last year doesn't mean much anymore, for either of these teams, because they have made some big changes.

Dallas is and should be favored simply because Tampa Bay has a brand new QB and head coach, but anything can happen in the NFL, Dallas fans of all people should know this by now.

Really hope Tampa Bay wins so I can hear all the Dallas cocksuckers whine and bitch and make some stupid ass excuse up.

Why don't you focus on your team instead of ours?


At least until we hand you that Turkey Day asswhuppin'.


:happy:

 

[Tailback U]

Why don't you focus on your team instead of ours?


At least until we hand you that Turkey Day asswhuppin'.


:happy:

My team doesn't play until Monday so all I can do for now is talk shit about all the other games/teams/fans.

Gotta get it in now before the Raiders get walloped cuz I know I'll be feeling shitty come Tuesday morning.

 

[Esjay]

I hope Tampa wins by 30. BigBucs just trying to show some optimism for his team and he gets three Cowboy fans telling him how stupid it is. News flash: nobody gives a fuck. There's a reason they play the games.

 

[Rayman]

I hope Tampa wins by 30. BigBucs just trying to show some optimism for his team and he gets three Cowboy fans telling him how stupid it is. News flash: nobody gives a fuck. There's a reason they play the games.

If you can point out where I said anything about how "stupid" it was, I'll be happy to take it back.



It's gotten to the point where I can't say anything even remotely positive about the Dallas Cowboys on this site. Fucking ridiculous.

 

[Archer]

If you can point out where I said anything about how "stupid" it was, I'll be happy to take it back.



It's gotten to the point where I can't say anything even remotely positive about the Dallas Cowboys on this site. Fucking ridiculous. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you figured it out at least

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Make sure your house is clean before you try to clean someone elses.

Disagree.
If someone wants to clean my house I dont care if theres is clean or not.

Anyways.
Health will be a major concern. I they stay healthy theyll be in contention but lord knows whatll happen in December.
Cant possibly expect that defense to play as lights out as it did mid-season. It reverted mighty quick in December with no help from the offense. We dont have the depth on either side for one to carry the other into the playoffs.

The biggest problem is still there.Draw plays on 3rd and 15 and pass plays with every WR running a 15+yd route on 2nd and 3 were all too common. Barber fell off big time last year. Jones needs to spell him early and often for Barber to be as effective as before.

Cant fathom them losing to the Bucs. It would be extremely embarrassing.
But after last years collapse I wouldnt be stunned.

 

[Derrville]

Having some difficulty with who to start this week. Should it be Antonio Bryant or Roy Williams?

Who do you think has the better QB throwing to em?