What a day for the Steelers and AFC North

[SHOGUN]

That was the most over rated statement ever. The Steelers never get ANY respect, even with 6 Super Bowls. The year we finally do, you think we don't deserve it? Get real.

I didn't know Kornstar had a second account.

 

[steeljake]

I didn't know Kornstar had a second account.

boom roasted!

yup, i lol'ed

 

[Bear Pand]

Wasn't wrong, I live here, think I don't know they're on a bye?

My point is stats are always misleading, way too many variables in football to constantly bring up why some one is better because of more pass yards/TDs.

Then there's too many variables in football for you to keep pointing at Roethlisberger's rings.

 

[KoRnStARr]

Big Ben is a better quarterback than Marino, because Marino just has empty stats.

Another dumb comment.

Marino has 14 years of stats/experience on Ben.

It's pretty safe to assume, however, that Ben will probably go down as one of the best QB's of all time by the time his career is over with what he's accomplished already at such a young age and how much more football he has left in him.

 

[KoRnStARr]

Then there's too many variables in football for you to keep pointing at Roethlisberger's rings.

Not at all.

QB play in the playoffs takes prescedent more so then any nice regular season numbers for a QB's career. Wins are also a QB stat when it's all said and done. May not agree with it, but it's how it goes.

The HOF agrees with me.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Another dumb comment.

Marino has 14 years of stats/experience on Ben.

It's pretty safe to assume, however, that Ben will probably go down as one of the best QB's of all time by the time his career is over with what he's accomplished already at such a young age and how much more football he has left in him.

Ben Roethlisberger will never, ever be in the debate for the greatest of all time. He's a good, sometimes great quarterback. He probably won't end up top 10, he's not even top three of guys currently in the league.

 

[Bear Pand]

Not at all.

QB play in the playoffs takes prescedent more so then any nice regular season numbers.

The HOF agrees with me.

Right, which is why Roethlisberger played like garbage against the Seahawks but still got a ring.

I swear you're one of the most ridiculous posters on this site. In one thread you accuse Manning of "Trent Diflering it" in the Superbowl, the next thread you're singing Big Ben's praises when he went 9/21 with 2 INTs in his first one.

Makes no sense.

 

[KoRnStARr]

Ben Roethlisberger will never, ever be in the debate for the greatest of all time. He's a good, sometimes great quarterback. He probably won't end up top 10, he's not even top three of guys currently in the league.

He's already on pace to be.

And yes he is.

 

[1ke]

lmao you have the gayest username ever.
-rep.

Says the geek with Goblin in his name. I rest my case, geek.

The two of you are most gayest for arguing over who has the less gay Username on the world wide web.

 

[KoRnStARr]

Right, which is why Roethlisberger played like garbage against the Seahawks but still got a ring.

I swear you're one of the most ridiculous posters on this site. In one thread you accuse Manning of "Trent Diflering it" in the Superbowl, the next thread you're singing Big Ben's praises when he went 9/21 with 2 INTs in his first one.

Makes no sense.

Right, because you automatically just start in the SB, and don't have to do anything to get there.

Let's just discount what it actually took to get the team there, AKA, the whole championship run, because of one game.

Big Ben's first ring he won his playoff numbers were 8TDs, 1 INT.

I never accused Manning of "Trent Dilfering" it in the SB, I accused Manning of "Trent Dilfering" his entire body of work in that post-season, not just off one game.

Dumbass.

 

[mgoblue2290]

He's already on pace to be.

And yes he is.

Really. By the end of his career you honestly think that Ben Roethlisberger will be discussed as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game of football? You're a fucking joke.

He isn't better than Brady, Brees, Manning, Favre or even Kurt Fucking Warner on the all time scale. Brady and Manning will finish top 5 all time, Favre is debatable, Brees and Warner won't.

Ben is a good quarterback who sometimes steps up, that is all!

 

[Gonzo]

Just so you know, if your the most, your definantly the gayest. lol.

lol yeah bro something like that.

xxooxxooxx

hugs and kisses motherfucker.

 

[KoRnStARr]

Really. By the end of his career you honestly think that Ben Roethlisberger will be discussed as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game of football? You're a fucking joke.

He isn't better than Brady, Brees, Manning, Favre or even Kurt Fucking Warner on the all time scale. Brady and Manning will finish top 5 all time, Favre is debatable, Brees and Warner won't.

Ben is a good quarterback who sometimes steps up, that is all!

Big Ben is only in his 6th season. Do you not understand the concept of "on pace"?

He has 2 RINGS already, a ROY award, has been to the probowl, and has all the time in the world in his career to build up great stats. He also has the all-time best QB win percentage so far on the basis of at least 5 seasons.

Which is the only thing that puts any other QB you listed over him. All those guys have played WAY MORE then he has and it's much easier to project how they will end up when it's all said and done.

He's a QB who has stepped up his ENTIRE CAREER so far. Which is why he's on PACE to be one of the best to play the game with all the things we know now.

He's only getting better as a QB and his stats will only get better with time.

The stupidity from some of you guys never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Archer]

Just so you know, if your the most, your definantly the gayest. lol.

I thought you were leaving?

 

[Bear Pand]

Right, because you automatically just start in the SB, and don't have to do anything to get there.

Let's just discount what it actually took to get the team there, AKA, the whole championship run, because of one game.

Big Ben's first ring he won his playoff numbers were 8TDs, 1 INT.

I never accused Manning of "Trent Dilfering" it in the SB, I accused Manning of "Trent Dilfering" his entire body of work in that post-season, not just off one game.

Dumbass.

Whatever, point still stands. Can't accuse Manning of"Trent Diflering" and leaning on his run game and defense, say there's too many variables in football to rely on stats, then try to point to Roeth's rings, leading the league in passing through 5 games and call him an all time great.

 

[KoRnStARr]

Whatever, point still stands. Can't accuse Manning of"Trent Diflering" and leaning on his run game and defense, say there's too many variables in football to rely on stats, then try to point to Roeth's rings, leading the league in passing through 5 games and call him an all time great.

I'm not calling him an all-time great yet, but he's def on pace to be.

And yes I can, because a QB's career/legacy is more predicated on their playoff play then anything else.

 

[Archer]

Just had to point that out, sorry. Good luck on reaching 12,000 posts.. lmao

Thanks .... I will need it

You gone yet?

 

[1ke]

Just had to point that out, sorry. Good luck on reaching 12,000 posts.. lmao

You pointed that out, and Ill point out you helped in derailing your own thread. Congrats.

 

[Gonzo]

Big Ben is only in his 6th season. Do you not understand the concept of "on pace"?

He has 2 RINGS already, a ROY award, has been to the probowl, and has all the time in the world in his career to build up great stats. He also has the all-time best QB win percentage so far on the basis of at least 5 seasons.

Which is the only thing that puts any other QB you listed over him. All those guys have played WAY MORE then he has and it's much easier to project how they will end up when it's all said and done.

He's a QB who has stepped up his ENTIRE CAREER so far. Which is why he's on PACE to be one of the best to play the game with all the things we know now.

He's only getting better as a QB and his stats will only get better with time.

The stupidity from some of you guys never ceases to amaze me.

He has potential. He's obviously a good quarterback, the stats speak for themselves.

His entire career he's been overshadowed by the Favre's, Manning's, and Brady's in the media.

He obviously has potential. But so does Matt Ryan. I can understand thinking he's on his way to being one of the GOAT, but there's a reason he doesn't get more attention.

I'm not even going to talk about supporting cast; it gets old and people tend to stick to one point and defend it to the death. Peyton and Tom have football knowledge that Big Ben couldn't hope to ever attain, and although his stats reflect the opinion that he DOES belong in today's upper eschelon of players, he will never be more than a guy that knew how to get it done when it needed doing.

Just my cent and a half.

 

[Bear Pand]

I'm not calling him an all-time great yet, but he's def on pace to be.

And yes I can, because a QB's career/legacy is more predicated on their playoff play then anything else.

So does Big Ben get a pass for playing like shit in the Superbowl or no? I'm asking cause I know if Manning threw up 2 INTs and a 23 QB Rating in a SB win you'd grill him forever on it, regardless of what he did in any of the other playoff games.