Who will be the first UFC champ to lose?

[Liquidrob]

Brock is one dimensional & this you cannot dispute. He showed NOTHING in his second fight, he out wrestled Mir, that's what Brock is a wrestler, he "out muscled" him. No surprise there, his stand up was suspect, Couture exposed Brock in their fight & he's 45yrs old until he got caught with that mammoth shot. He's by far the one who can easiest lose his belt.

actually, I'm going to defend Brock here, he showed some really good grappling technique in the Mir fight, he gave Mir zero space, stayed chest to chest, kept Mirs back to the mat, controlled Mirs wirst/limbs, etc...

I do blame Mir for playing half guard though, I really dont know what he was thinking, you pretty much have no subs or striking options from half guard and it is just for sweeps, so Brock just had to defend the sweep, thats it. If Mir used regular closed guard he could have forced Brock to defend subs and some strikes and get him guessing, plus still have some sweep options

half guard is a very dangerous game to play MMA, we used to call that the 'beatdown' position, guys like Randy rather be in half guard than side control when GnPing

For half guard to be effective you half to get on your side and ball up you body, thats what is going to get the sweep, Brock used some good technique plus with great strength to totally shut down Mirs half guard

EDIT: I would have to watch it again to see if Mir even had a chance to get to full guard, I think he would have though, just cant remember

 

[RosettaStoned]

Brock's only assets are his size and strength. Carwin in those areas matches him, but has more skill.

 

[Hogle]

Brock's only assets are his size and strength. Carwin in those areas matches him, but has more skill.

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in glove size he matches him, but there is no one who matches the strength of lesnar

 

[RosettaStoned]

but there is no one who matches the strength of lesnar

I bet he likes to hear that while you're looking at him over your shoulder. Carwin is easily as strong as Lesnar.

 

[Liquidrob]

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in glove size he matches him, but there is no one who matches the strength of lesnar

WRONG, Carwin has BIGGER gloves!!!!!

 

[Hogle]

WRONG, Carwin has BIGGER gloves!!!!!

i know, wrong choice of words

 

[RosettaStoned]

i know, wrong choice of words

Kind of like when you said Sanchez will "fuck up" BJ?

 

[Hogle]

Kind of like when you said Sanchez will "fuck up" BJ?

no, those were the exact words i was looking for there

 

[Anthony]

actually, I'm going to defend Brock here, he showed some really good grappling technique in the Mir fight, he gave Mir zero space, stayed chest to chest, kept Mirs back to the mat, controlled Mirs wirst/limbs, etc...

I do blame Mir for playing half guard though, I really dont know what he was thinking, you pretty much have no subs or striking options from half guard and it is just for sweeps, so Brock just had to defend the sweep, thats it. If Mir used regular closed guard he could have forced Brock to defend subs and some strikes and get him guessing, plus still have some sweep options

half guard is a very dangerous game to play MMA, we used to call that the 'beatdown' position, guys like Randy rather be in half guard than side control when GnPing

For half guard to be effective you half to get on your side and ball up you body, thats what is going to get the sweep, Brock used some good technique plus with great strength to totally shut down Mirs half guard

EDIT: I would have to watch it again to see if Mir even had a chance to get to full guard, I think he would have though, just cant remember

Isn't wrestling a form of grappling? don't you have to be good at grappling in order to be a good wrestler? jus' sayin.

 

[Anthony]

no, those were the exact words i was looking for there

Some might call you delusional, but i'll call you retarded.

 

[Liquidrob]

Isn't wrestling a form of grappling? don't you have to be good at grappling to be a good wrestler? jus' sayin.

yes, of course it is, but the wrestling that brock did is not the same grappling for MMA or made to stop a BJJ mans game

you have to train for it and know what you are doing, Brock knew what he was doing in that fight and showed good technique and shut down Mirs game

 

[Anthony]

yes, of course it is, but the wrestling that brock did is not the same grappling for MMA or made to stop a BJJ mans game

you have to train for it and know what you are doing, Brock knew what he was doing in that fight and showed good technique and shut down Mirs game

Fair enough, Mir did help him out a bit when he went for that flying knee. Just ask Arlovski he's right there in your avatar, he'll tell ya he made the same mistake against some guy from Russia.

BTW, it's not that I dislike Lesnar (maybe just a little). He's clearly taking MMA seriously & I can respect that, I just have zero tolerance for his groupies. It just brings back bad memories - you know, like when that guy Kevin Ferguson was sort of the face of MMA.

 

[RosettaStoned]

no, those were the exact words i was looking for there

That's why nobody takes you serious.

 

[clovett]

Machida or Lesnar. Machida may fight twice in the toughest division in the UFC before Lesnar even fights again. Lesnar could lose to Cain down the road when they fight.

 

[Hogle]

That's why nobody takes you serious.

Penn - Seems to dominate the competition he has been given at LW, but i believe (probably heavily biased) that sanchez can take him. (note I hate bj penn and sanchez is one of my favorite fighters)

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and your avatar is why no one takes you seriously

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Lesnar or Machida.

 

[RosettaStoned]

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and your avatar is why no one takes you seriously

Yeah I get it. You <3 Sanchez. It's unfortunate that he's not anywhere near BJ's level and has no way to win that fight. Kind of like Florian, but Sanchez is more aggressive so he won't make it past the third.

Nobody takes me serious because I'm trolling or joking 90% of the time. Nobody takes you serious because you're fucking stupid.

 

[Anthony]

Yeah I get it. You <3 Sanchez. It's unfortunate that he's not anywhere near BJ's level and has no way to win that fight. Kind of like Florian, but Sanchez is more aggressive so he won't make it past the third.

Nobody takes me serious because I'm trolling or joking 90% of the time. Nobody takes you serious because you're fucking stupid.

You forgot to call him a faggot.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

This is a damn good poll.

I'll say Machida. One of those big hitters at 205 will get inside that stance and KO him.

sidenote-Why do people keep saying Couture exposed Brock? Brock punched his face in like he did to everyone else. That fight was only close if you were rooting hard for Couture. Lesnar was never in trouble, and he physically manhandled Randy like he did everyone else.

 

[Anthony]

This is a damn good poll.

I'll say Machida. One of those big hitters at 205 will get inside that stance and KO him.

sidenote-Why do people keep saying Couture exposed Brock? Brock punched hi face in like he did to everyone else. That fight was only close if you were rooting hard for Couture. Lesnar was never in trouble, and he physically manhandled Randy like he did everyone else.

I can put the great Ali flat on his back if I catch him with a overhand right.