Who would you rather have?

[The Messenger]

I'm not doubting Rondo's talent or his ability to make the Celtics what they are. I'm just stating the fact that this whole argument is flawed because Rondo and Stuckey are two completely different point guard and the only way to know the answer to the question is to already know who is on the team.

If you had this team...

SG: Raja Bell
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Ben Wallace

Who would you want on that team? Obviously you need a pure scorer who can pour it in from anywhere on the court.

SG: Morris Peterson
SF: Thaddeous Young
PF: Al Harrington
C: Mehmet Okur

In that situation, you would want a defensive, pass-first, team leader, point guard like Rondo who can set up all of those scorers and can help anchor the defense on an otherwise defensively flawed team.

 

[Len B]

I'm not doubting Rondo's talent or his ability to make the Celtics what they are. I'm just stating the fact that this whole argument is flawed because Rondo and Stuckey are two completely different point guard and the only way to know the answer to the question is to already know who is on the team.

If you had this team...

SG: Raja Bell
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Ben Wallace

Who would you want on that team? Obviously you need a pure scorer who can pour it in from anywhere on the court.

SG: Morris Peterson
SF: Thaddeous Young
PF: Al Harrington
C: Mehmet Okur

In that situation, you would want a defensive, pass-first, team leader, point guard like Rondo who can set up all of those scorers and can help anchor the defense on an otherwise defensively flawed team.

If I had either of those teams I'd shoot myself.

 

[The Messenger]

The question was "who would you rather have running the point"

This isn't which guard would you rather have. With Stuckey, you're getting another Shooting Guard if you already have one, cause his team leading skills are mediocre. That's what a "Point" anything is. It's the person who determines the tempo, the sets, and the execution. You can have a Point Forward, or a Point Center. What we're talking about is a Point Guard, and Stuckey isn't a Point Guard. He's a shooting guard. Just because he's called a Point Guard, doesn't make him one. If it looks like a shooting guard, plays like a shooting guard, it's a damn shooting guard.

I don't think you'll ever understand. How about we just move on.

 

[The Messenger]

I fully understand. I have a brain believe it or not.

What you're saying is Stuckey is better offensively, and if my team lacked offense, I would want Stuckey.

I understand that. Let's look at it another way though.

My team needs post scoring. So who would you rather have? A defensive minded Power Forward / Center, or Rodney Stuckey.

Stuckey is a Shooting Guard, and scores. But he doesn't "run the point" which is what the whole thread is about. Just like Stuckey doesn't have size, or post moves, so why would you take him over a defensive minded Forward / Center?

Not all point guards need to be the full blown leader of their team. Yes, Stuckey is traditionally a shooting guard, but he does possess the ability to play the point and is learning fast. His assist-to-turnover ratio isn't bad and there's games where he's shown the ability to run the point exceptionally.

But like I said, not all point guards need to be the full blown leader for their team. Guys like Jameer Nelson, Derek Fisher, Mo Williams (case can be made for Tony Parker) etc are very good point guards who are not the leaders of their teams.

If you put Rondo at point on the Cavs instead of Mo Williams, does he make them better? Hell no. Same goes for the Magic, Lakers, etc.

Rondo's a perfect fit for the way the Celtics are built. On other teams, he doesn't have the success he currently has and those team's don't have the success they currently have.

 

[Primetime]

Rondo would have success anywhere he went. He's proven he can be the scorer when he needs to be. He's the reason Boston hasn't lost this series already. Averaging 22/10/12 = Unheard of.

 

[Vinsane]

Rondo would have success anywhere he went. He's proven he can be the scorer when he needs to be. He's the reason Boston hasn't lost this series already. Averaging 22/10/12 = Unheard of.

Player, Pts, Rebound, Ast.

Oscar Robinson 28.8/11/11
Wilt Chamberlain 28.0/26.5/11.0
Magic Johnson 20.0/11.8/10.8
Fat Lever 17.0/11.0/10.3
Jason Kidd 17.5/11.2/10.2

Wilt averaged a triple double in a playoff series twice. Magic? Four times. Kidd? Twice.

= Heard of.

 

[FirstTimer]

Player, Pts, Rebound, Ast.

Oscar Robinson 28.8/11/11
Wilt Chamberlain 28.0/26.5/11.0
Magic Johnson 20.0/11.8/10.8
Fat Lever 17.0/11.0/10.3
Jason Kidd 17.5/11.2/10.2

Wilt averaged a triple double in a playoff series twice. Magic? Four times. Kidd? Twice.

= Heard of.

And all as "the guy" for their teams. Rondo is right now the third best player on the Celtics and with a healthy KG is the 4th guy.

Historical and logical perspective>>>>Rondo

 

[Maestro]

Stuckey is not a two guard, he is just a big guard that is asked to score. Just like what Billups was asked to do on the Pistons.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I'm not doubting Rondo's talent or his ability to make the Celtics what they are. I'm just stating the fact that this whole argument is flawed because Rondo and Stuckey are two completely different point guard and the only way to know the answer to the question is to already know who is on the team.

If you had this team...

SG: Raja Bell
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: Emeka Okafor
C: Ben Wallace

Who would you want on that team? Obviously you need a pure scorer who can pour it in from anywhere on the court.

SG: Morris Peterson
SF: Thaddeous Young
PF: Al Harrington
C: Mehmet Okur

In that situation, you would want a defensive, pass-first, team leader, point guard like Rondo who can set up all of those scorers and can help anchor the defense on an otherwise defensively flawed team.

Im kinda confused why you used Morris Peterson, who is a pretty solid defender.. in this example? Just wondering..

 

[Primetime]

Player, Pts, Rebound, Ast.

Oscar Robinson 28.8/11/11
Wilt Chamberlain 28.0/26.5/11.0
Magic Johnson 20.0/11.8/10.8
Fat Lever 17.0/11.0/10.3
Jason Kidd 17.5/11.2/10.2

Wilt averaged a triple double in a playoff series twice. Magic? Four times. Kidd? Twice.

= Heard of.

Obviously I was exaggerating. Even so, look at the company he is in. Some of the best players to ever play the game.

 

[FirstTimer]

Obviously I was exaggerating. Even so, look at the company he is in. Some of the best players to ever play the game.

Again. What he's doing is great but you also have to keep in mind like I mentioned:

And all as "the guy" for their teams. Rondo is right now the third best player on the Celtics and with a healthy KG is the 4th guy.

Historical and logical perspective>>>>Rondo

 

[Vinsane]

Obviously I was exaggerating. Even so, look at the company he is in. Some of the best players to ever play the game.

And they've played more than three seasons.

Until Rondo withstands the test of time and does what hes done without Pierce, Allen, Garnett. I'm refusing to recognize him as one of the greats.