Yanks acquire Javier Vazquez from Atlanta

[Nash]

what was Wren thinking on this trade? pathetic

 

[Blade]

Pro: Braves rotation takes a big hit, + for the Phillies

Con: Yanks get stronger. Vazquez has been underrated.

Possible Pro: Vazquez sucked balls in NY the first time around. Hopefully he'll suck again.

Its not even the fact he sucked with the Yankees, but his ERA has been 3.5 and + everytime he's been in the AL. He's the classic pitcher that does awesome in the NL, hence his number with the Expos and Braves, but he gets beat up like a punching bag in the AL.

Good luck to the Yankees trying to keep his fly balls inside the park in that stadium.

 

[DJ Rhude]

You guys realized that Vazquez sucked in NY right? And he wasn't even that good in AL compared to the NL?

Sox get Lackey and The Phils steal Halladay, and this is the best counter Yankees could come up with?

That's what you're hoping at least

Vazquez arm was about to fall of when he pitched for us....foolish of him not to tell anyone his shoulder was hurt, but he's a gamer

This time around we're not asking him to be the savior of the staff, he can fit in comfortable as the 4th starter, no pressure unlike last time

Only thing I'm sad about is that Melky had to be in the deal

 

[DJ Fog]

Yanks with 4 strong pitchers now.. sweeeet.

 

[FedEx227]

Hes got a horrible track record record in the AL, and even worse in pitchers parks. He can get innings and get his K's, but hes going to give up a hell of a lot of runs in the process. I wouldnt be suprised to see his ERA float up near 5 again.

So typically he would be a good 4th starter for a playoff team, but the reason I dont like the move is because he does not make 4th starters money. Yeah its the Yankees, but still.

He's an enigma. I really don't understand much of Vazquez. His LOB% flucuates so much year to year, which doesn't make any sense. Usually you can sense a fluke year by a guy have an unusually high BABIP and/or LOB%, but Javy finds a way to make both of those rise and fall year by year.

I don't know if it's exactly "spotlight" or anything, it's just almost unexplainable. He's been baffling stat guys for years.

 

[Chrispy]

If he does terrible, we could always put in into the bullpen and bring in either Hughes or Joba

 

[StealthShot]

Didn't like this trade but what else were we gunna do with Melky? He was only reserve we got the best we could out of him.

Vasquez throws strikes thats whats good about him but that is whats also bad about him he might pitch over the plate too much, and in the new stadium I see a lot of long balls.

This is just another sign that Joba will be back in the pen like others said I don't see Hughes going back to the pen only if he gets hurt.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Any Yankee fan who doesnt like this trade needs his head examined.

Melky Cabrera defines "average", and is easily replaceable. The 19 year old pitcher is supposed to be a good prospect, but this is the Yankees, and its all about winning now, so who gives a shit.

Vasquez is a consistant horse who pitches a million innings and gets the job done. I dont care what the dork stats say, his final line year after year says it all.

Even if Vasquez bombs in NY again, the Yankees are giving up next to nothing.

 

[FedEx227]

Any Yankee fan who doesnt like this trade needs his head examined.

Melky Cabrera defines "average", and is easily replaceable. The 19 year old pitcher is supposed to be a good prospect, but this is the Yankees, and its all about winning now, so who gives a shit.

Vasquez is a consistant horse who pitches a million innings and gets the job done. I dont care what the dork stats say, his final line year after year says it all.
Even if Vasquez bombs in NY again, the Yankees are giving up next to nothing.

:jonesy:

What the hell does that even mean? The "dorky" stats try to make sense of Javy's constant up and down seasons.

Plus, if you're going by end of the year line, then Javier Vazquez is vastly overrated and overpaid. He doesn't do very well in W-L. Most of his value comes in his high K/BB and sometimes shocking high LOB% in years when he's really doing well.

The basic point on Javy is you really don't know what you're going to get. He's so up and down and sadly over the course of the past 5-6 years usually when his team is good, he sucks.

2006 w/White Sox: team wins 90, Javy struggles throughout the year.
2007 w/White Sox: team loses 90, Javy has arguably one of his best year.
2008 w/White Sox: team wins division, Javy is very inconsistent and has a terrible September.
2009 w/Braves: team is mediocre, has a great overall year.

In a pitcher park, a year after he had a great year for a defending World Series champion that stands to continue to be good... I'll bet on him having a down year.

 

[FedEx227]

I mean I don't know...again stats can't seem to figure out Javy because he's the most inconsistent pitcher in the league. He's good most of the time, but he can be a top-tier dominant starter one year, then be a good to average 3-4 starter the next... and it's not game-by-game, but rather year-by-year.

Again, who knows if he sucks his first year with the Yanks. It's just pretty odd that he's followed this path for 4 years. You could even go back to his one Yankee year, followed by his Arizona year.

Obviously you have to factor in the AL/NL switch, but his White Sox seasons were pretty baffling because his performance directly coorelated with his teams success, but not in the way you would want.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

What the hell does that even mean? The "dorky" stats try to make sense of Javy's constant up and down seasons.

Plus, if you're going by end of the year line, then Javier Vazquez is vastly overrated and overpaid. He doesn't do very well in W-L. Most of his value comes in his high K/BB and sometimes shocking high LOB% in years when he's really doing well.

The basic point on Javy is you really don't know what you're going to get. He's so up and down and sadly over the course of the past 5-6 years usually when his team is good, he sucks.

2006 w/White Sox: team wins 90, Javy struggles throughout the year.
2007 w/White Sox: team loses 90, Javy has arguably one of his best year.
2008 w/White Sox: team wins division, Javy is very inconsistent and has a terrible September.
2009 w/Braves: team is mediocre, has a great overall year.

What are you talking about?

In a pitcher park, a year after he had a great year for a defending World Series champion that stands to continue to be good... I'll bet on him having a down year.

What?

2006: 202.2 IP, 206 H, 23 HR, 56 BB, 184 K, 4.84 ERA
2007: 216.2 IP, 197 H, 29 HR, 50 BB, 213 K, 3.74 ERA
2008: 208.1 IP, 214 H, 25 HR, 61 BB, 200 K, 4.67 ERA
2009: 219.1 IP, 181 H, 20 HR, 44 BB, 238 K, 2.87 ERA

At the end of the day, the guy puts up amazingly consistant numbers every year. He'll pitch over 200 innings, give up around 200 hits, K 200+, and BB about 50. EVERY YEAR.

He's a solid addition to any rotation, especially when you're giving up an non entity like Melky Cabrera.

 

[FedEx227]

I agree he's a solid addition, but you're missing the biggest stat in those lines. His horribly inconsistent ERA. Like I said, his value is in high Ks, HR, low BB (thus K/BB), consistent IP, great FIP numbers. ERA though: 4.84 to 3.74 then to 4.67 then to 2.87? That's pretty hard to stomach for a fan with Javy on your team.

Especially when:
4.84 - team wins 90 games
3.74 - team loses 90 games
4.67 - team makes playoffs
2.87 - team misses playoffs

 

[GangstaE]

the only stat that matters too me about Vasquez is how many innings he will be able to eat and rest our bullpen helping our younger pitchers, the dude is gonna be our 4th starter with an all star lineup all he has to do is eat innings and keep his ERA at least 4.50 and under range.

 

[Mogriffjr]

getting him for Melky is good

i just worry about him coming back to the big man's league of the AL...his ERA should jump and being a flyball pitcher in yankee stadium isn't exactly a good thing.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

getting him for Melky is good

i just worry about him coming back to the big man's league of the AL...his ERA should jump and being a flyball pitcher in yankee stadium isn't exactly a good thing.

Keep in mind he isnt coming in to be a #1...or even a #2.

Cant go wrong with a guy this good, who at his worst will eat 200+ innings, at the back end of your rotation. Show me one GM who wouldnt take this guy as a #4, or even a #3. He'd be an ace for a few teams.

 

[Mogriffjr]

Keep in mind he isnt coming in to be a #1...or even a #2.

Cant go wrong with a guy this good, who at his worst will eat 200+ innings, at the back end of your rotation. Show me one GM who wouldnt take this guy as a #4, or even a #3. He'd be an ace for a few teams.

No I agree with that

down the stretch the Yanks were literally pitching with 3 starters anyway with Joba rules and throwing the paint on the wall with Mitre/Gaudin.

this will definitely allow the Yanks pen more of a breather...isn't Boone Logan a decent reliever for them as well?

 

[FedEx227]

I didn't see Boone Logan for much of last year, so I can't say for that... but when he was with the White Sox he was alright. Not totally a wreck, but no someone you can really go to in big situations.

Again, I still think the Yankees got a great value for Vazquez. Just be prepared to not get the Vazquez of last season, be prepared for some very frustrating times where you watch this guy dominate for 4 innings, then have a horrible meltdown inning that kills your team. Granted, he's going to a team that is going to score a ton of runs, so there won't be as much pressure even if he gives up 4.50 or whatever per game.